[Noisebridge-discuss] think bigger

Naomi Most pnaomi at gmail.com
Sat Apr 5 22:41:46 UTC 2014

Yes, I think Hannah did nail it.

She successfully demonstrated that she, as well as you, have no
recollection of what Noisebridge culture was, and have only knee-jerk
reactions to provide instead of actual understanding.


On Sat, Apr 5, 2014 at 1:11 PM, Tom Lowenthal <me at tomlowenthal.com> wrote:
> On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 7:33 PM, Praveen Sinha <dmhomee at gmail.com> wrote:
>> In that, I submit that our pains have not to do with mismanagment, but
>> that we need to grow into our next phase for an even larger and more dynamic
>> community:  I don't know what it's going to look like or what the outcome
>> will be, but as everyone is shuffling about in this latest re-org, I think
>> it's important to think bigger and more radical and more creative and more
>> inclusive.  As a hackerspace, we can go in directions no other space or
>> collective on the planet is capable of at the moment.  Keep it mind as we
>> fight our battles, whatever side of drama you wind up on.
> Hannah wrote:
>> Praveen, this is not as simple as an issue of "inclusion" and a happy little
>> collective.  The truth of the matter is that when you include some people,
>> you cause others to feel threatened & unsafe and thereby exclude them.
>> People who are high at Noisebridge tend to cross boundaries, and one of
>> those boundaries is often the bodily autonomy of women at the space.  San
>> Francisco is full of places where people can go to see folks screw in
>> public, Noisebridge does not need to be one of them.  If you want to display
>> your bondage technology, go to Wicked Grounds!  If you want to get high in
>> public, go to Dolores Park!  The place full of collectively owned powertools
>> is not the correct venue for those activities.
> I think Hannah pretty much nailed it.
> I think that Noisebridge is a hackerspace, and our stated goal is to
> be a place where diverse sorts of people feel safe and comfortable
> working on and talking about their technical-creative projects. I'm
> quite certain that other things can happen at Noisebridge; many do.
> When we're thinking about another activity, considering whether it's a
> good fit for Noisebridge, the most important question we should ask
> is:
>> "Does this enable or interfere with Noisebridge as place where diverse sorts
>> of people feel safe and comfortable working on and talking about their technical-
>> -creative projects.?"
> Our answer to this question should be the most important factor in
> determining what to do. If there's something that makes people feel
> *less* safe and comfortable, or makes it *harder* to work on
> technical-creative projects, we should recognise that -- although this
> activity may be totally reasonable in general -- Noisebridge isn't the
> place for it.
> Hugs & kisses,
> -Tom
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