[Noisebridge-discuss] reasoning about the kitchen

Mon Apr 14 23:25:01 UTC 2014

Remember that this would have to be done regularly to remain maintainable.
Like, once a month. The kitchen has sort of a revolving cast of characters.

Jeffrey

On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 4:22 PM, Ronald Cotoni <setient at gmail.com> wrote:

> I am with Jeffrey here.  We should both introduce the kitchen users to the
> list and train them on proper cleaning/food safety.  I know a bit and I
> told V about some of the things I learned while working in a kitchen a VERY
> long time ago.  She didn't know osme of it and was a bit shocked.  Matthew,
> do you want to perhaps work with me and plan a time where we can have a
> meetup and go over that and do so on a regular basis?  Some basic food
> handling things (like every time you touch yourself or your clothes, you
> need to wash your hands before touching food again) and how to properly
> prep/cook/cool things so that contamination does not occur?
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 4:18 PM, Jeffrey Carl Faden <jeffreyatw at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> The people I've talked to who frequent the kitchen either do not spend
>> much time online or are unaware of the Noisebridge discussion list. You
>> won't hear equally from both sides on this list.
>>
>> Jeffrey
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 3:58 PM, Matthew Senate <mattsenate at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> I totally agree with Jim (food hacking is awesome, we borrowed
>>> noisebridge equipment to create https://sudoroom.org/wiki/Sudo_mate_mk.5)
>>> and Naomi too (it's time to get real and be do-ocratic). I say this
>>> especially since I've recently enjoyed Francisco's banana vinegar, born of
>>> Noisebridge-based cooking workshops, and available at local farmer's
>>> markets (or directly from the source)!
>>>
>>> Who will speak for the Noisebridge kitchen?
>>>
>>> Perhaps this is a radical-inclusivity outreach opportunity...
>>>
>>> To whoever it may be: I promise to give the kitchen a good bit of
>>> elbow-grease every time I visit!
>>>
>>> p.s. greatest draw-back of the current sudo room location is no proper
>>> kitchen ;(
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 3:34 PM, Naomi Most <pnaomi at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> That's fine, Jim.  If people believe that, they should be fired up
>>>> about protecting the kitchen.
>>>>
>>>> --Naomi
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 6:27 PM, jim <jim at systemateka.com> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> > 1. Noisebridge's core mission has nothing whatsoever to do with the
>>>> > presence of a kitchen.
>>>> >
>>>> > JS: The kitchen facilities have been used for useful,
>>>> > even admirable hacking and therefore as much
>>>> > relevant to the core mission as the sewing machines,
>>>> > and arguably more so than the darkroom.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > On 04/14/2014 03:07 PM, Naomi Most wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Here is how I came to the conclusion that we should issue an
>>>> ultimatum
>>>> >> for cleaning up the kichen.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> (I don't care how we got to the situation we're in, and none of the
>>>> >> following should be read as implying blame.)
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Read each point as a statement of fact, but please debate me on
>>>> >> individual points if they seem incorrect.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> 1. Noisebridge's core mission has nothing whatsoever to do with the
>>>> >> presence of a kitchen.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> 2. The kitchen has been stochastically maintained whilst being nearly
>>>> >> constantly used.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> 3. The usage of the kitchen has been largely by those who don't
>>>> >> understand the health hazards of misusing a shared community kitchen.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> (again: please don't read blame into these statements. it doesn't
>>>> >> matter "who", it only matters "what".)
>>>> >>
>>>> >> 4. Because of (2) and (3), the kitchen has become a health hazard.
>>>> >> (Many health hazards: mold, vermin, cross-contamination, etc)
>>>> >>
>>>> >> 5. There are many people who love having a kitchen.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> 6. There are many people who dislike or don't care about having a
>>>> kitchen.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> 7. Those belonging to (6) mostly want to see the kitchen removed.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> 8. Those belonging to (5) mostly want to keep the kitchen.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> 9. Health hazards are Bad.  Like, "harassment" Bad.  Like, someone
>>>> >> could get a bad disease Bad.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> ERGO, in the spirit of do-ocracy:
>>>> >>
>>>> >> 10. Those belonging to (5) ought to be putting work into making the
>>>> >> kitchen NOT a health hazard.  The onus falls on the group who uses
>>>> the
>>>> >> space to do something about it.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> 11. Those belonging to (5) have thus far not shown initiative in
>>>> >> protecting the resource.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> ERGO, in the spirit of do-ocracy:
>>>> >>
>>>> >> 12. Those belonging to (6) ought to incentivize those belonging to
>>>> (5)
>>>> >> to hurry up and do something about it.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> OK, does that make sense?
>>>> >>
>>>> >> This isn't about any authority trying to step in and "punish" people.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> This is about making it clear that if people want a thing to exist at
>>>> >> Noisebridge -- particular one that is fairly peripheral to what
>>>> >> Noisebridge is about -- they should take care of it.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> I have suggested that this group form a "kitchen working group" to
>>>> sort it
>>>> >> out.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> If it can't be sorted out, I don't think it's unreasonable for those
>>>> >> who don't care about having a kitchen but are worried about the
>>>> health
>>>> >> hazards of the kitchen to do-ocratically dismantle it.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Thanks for reading.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> --Naomi
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >
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>>>>
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>>>>
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