[Noisebridge-discuss] reasoning about the kitchen

Hannah Grimm dharlette at gmail.com
Tue Apr 15 21:01:10 UTC 2014


How about we just post a sign in the kitchen that says that if the kitchen
is not kept clean it will be torn down?


On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 1:55 PM, Naomi Most <pnaomi at gmail.com> wrote:

> Who is shouting and/or posturing?
>
> You're right, Cynthia and several others who are important in this
> discussion are not on the mailing list.
>
> That is an identified problem.  Do you have any suggestions for
> keeping asynchronous discussions going with people who are not on the
> mailing list, won't sign up for Slack, and won't use IRC?
>
> I'm all ears and eyes.  I do not want to leave people out of
> discussions, but I cannot fathom how Noisebridge can progress as an
> organization in an environment of requiring people to be on-site at
> the same physical space and time.
>
> --Naomi
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 4:50 PM, Norman Bradley <pryankster at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > With all of the shouting and posturing there is a person that is not
> here on
> > the list. Cynthia washes dishes and on occasion helps cook stuff.
> >
> > When I showed up on Monday she was washing dishes and cleaning up the
> place.
> >
> > Oh also using one of our public computers close by the kitchen.
> >
> > I don't think she is on this or another list.
> >
> > You are entitled to your own opinion.
> > You are NOT entitled to your own facts.
> >
> > Norman
> >
> >
> > On 4/14/2014 3:07 PM, Naomi Most wrote:
> >>
> >> Here is how I came to the conclusion that we should issue an ultimatum
> >> for cleaning up the kichen.
> >>
> >> (I don't care how we got to the situation we're in, and none of the
> >> following should be read as implying blame.)
> >>
> >> Read each point as a statement of fact, but please debate me on
> >> individual points if they seem incorrect.
> >>
> >> 1. Noisebridge's core mission has nothing whatsoever to do with the
> >> presence of a kitchen.
> >>
> >> 2. The kitchen has been stochastically maintained whilst being nearly
> >> constantly used.
> >>
> >> 3. The usage of the kitchen has been largely by those who don't
> >> understand the health hazards of misusing a shared community kitchen.
> >>
> >> (again: please don't read blame into these statements. it doesn't
> >> matter "who", it only matters "what".)
> >>
> >> 4. Because of (2) and (3), the kitchen has become a health hazard.
> >> (Many health hazards: mold, vermin, cross-contamination, etc)
> >>
> >> 5. There are many people who love having a kitchen.
> >>
> >> 6. There are many people who dislike or don't care about having a
> kitchen.
> >>
> >> 7. Those belonging to (6) mostly want to see the kitchen removed.
> >>
> >> 8. Those belonging to (5) mostly want to keep the kitchen.
> >>
> >> 9. Health hazards are Bad.  Like, "harassment" Bad.  Like, someone
> >> could get a bad disease Bad.
> >>
> >> ERGO, in the spirit of do-ocracy:
> >>
> >> 10. Those belonging to (5) ought to be putting work into making the
> >> kitchen NOT a health hazard.  The onus falls on the group who uses the
> >> space to do something about it.
> >>
> >> 11. Those belonging to (5) have thus far not shown initiative in
> >> protecting the resource.
> >>
> >> ERGO, in the spirit of do-ocracy:
> >>
> >> 12. Those belonging to (6) ought to incentivize those belonging to (5)
> >> to hurry up and do something about it.
> >>
> >> OK, does that make sense?
> >>
> >> This isn't about any authority trying to step in and "punish" people.
> >>
> >> This is about making it clear that if people want a thing to exist at
> >> Noisebridge -- particular one that is fairly peripheral to what
> >> Noisebridge is about -- they should take care of it.
> >>
> >> I have suggested that this group form a "kitchen working group" to sort
> it
> >> out.
> >>
> >> If it can't be sorted out, I don't think it's unreasonable for those
> >> who don't care about having a kitchen but are worried about the health
> >> hazards of the kitchen to do-ocratically dismantle it.
> >>
> >> Thanks for reading.
> >>
> >> --Naomi
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
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