[Noisebridge-discuss] reasoning about the kitchen

Naomi Most pnaomi at gmail.com
Tue Apr 15 23:17:11 UTC 2014

I don't really want to solve the problems of the kitchen, not here and
not at all, really.  I'm not interested in the kitchen.  That's why it
wouldn't bother me to remove it, which puts me in with those people in

Let's be clear here:  the point of Working Groups is to encourage
responsibility for resources by placing the problem-solving tasks
associated with those resources into the hands of those who are most
interested in the resources.

So, if anyone who has posted above is interested in forming a Kitchen
Working Group, there's a blank wiki page awaiting your typing fingers.


Otherwise, there is only one Action Item:


I don't care what the solutions are.  The people using the kitchen the
most will find the best solutions, or else they will end up without a
kitchen.  That's the whole point.


On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 6:09 PM, Johny Radio <johnyradio at gmail.com> wrote:
> Yes! All great stuff. To be institutionalized by the Cleaning Working
> Group-- not a one-time soon-to-be-forgotten suggestions on a Mailing list.
> People need to realize many of your suggestions-- signage, shutting down the
> kitchen, etc, have been tried by others before you! It didn't work! You
> really think you're the first people to talk about this problem? Been an
> issue for YEARS.
> Unstructured comments on a mailing list are not an effective problem-solving
> process. Needs a long-term Working Group.
> Matthew Senate <mattsenate at gmail.com> wrote:
> Actionable Options:
> New "Controlled Decay" or "Cleaning" email list for active clean-conscious
> Noisebridgers
> Convergence of primary actors in seeing and investing in changes (a
> "meeting" or better a "cleaning party!")
> What about a cleaning party announced at beginning&end 5MOF on Thurs for
> after the event, with a concrete end time, a chance to meet folks who may
> want to transform kitchen usage at the space? Decide on a second time to
> meet (every Thurs? every 5MOF?)
> Write and improve wiki pages on things like:
> Strategies for cleaning and maintaining a kitchen
> Lessons learned from other spaces, inspirations
> Articulating a shared vision of the future of food / cleaning /etc.
> Build consensus by bringing it to weekly meeting every week until
> improvement or some other resolution can be found.
> On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 2:06 PM, Johny Radio <johnyradio at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Naomi Most <pnaomi at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Cynthia and several others who are important in this
>> discussion are not on the mailing list.
>> J: Cynthia is a non-hacker, non-member, who to my knowledge has never
>> distinguished herself for cleaning or helping noisebridge, but has
>> distinguished herself by moving hacking tables out of the library into the
>> kitchen last time the kitchen was "shut down".
>> Why should Cynthia have any damn voice in this discussion?
>> Shall the non-hacking squatters have a voice in the sleeping discussion?
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