[Noisebridge-discuss] think bigger

Sat Apr 5 20:28:41 UTC 2014

You can? You shouldn't, what with the access policy. Unless you mean a
member and their family, in which case they probably have received warning
ahead of time.

On Sat, Apr 5, 2014 at 1:23 PM, immonad <immonad at yahoo.com> wrote:

> I could imagine a visiting family with kids walking in...
>
>
> -------- Original message --------
> From: Adrian Chadd
> Date:04/05/2014 12:49 PM (GMT-08:00)
> To: Jeffrey Carl Faden
> Cc: NoiseBridge Discuss
> Subject: Re: [Noisebridge-discuss] think bigger
>
> A lot of things could be prefaced with that.
>
> Then you shouldn't be surprised if people stop turning up to the space.
>
> Sheesh... :-)
>
>
>
> -a
>
>
> On 5 April 2014 11:18, Jeffrey Carl Faden <jeffreyatw at gmail.com> wrote:
> > It seems like this would be allowed at Noisebridge with proper notice:
> >
> > "When you are working on a sex- or porn-related project at Noisebridge,
> or
> > are running such an event or presentation, provide reasonable notice and
> > warning to allow others the opportunity to opt out if they wish. With
> this --
> > as anything else -- each person has a responsibility to be considerate
> of the
> > comfort levels of others. Discussions, projects, and events of this
> nature
> > should strive to exist in a culture of respect and consent."
> >
> > But yeah, someone feeling uncomfortable about a live sex-toy display
> would
> > certainly be able to say "please don't do that".
> >
> > Jeffrey
> >
> >
>
> > On Sat, Apr 5, 2014 at 10:49 AM, Hannah Grimm <dharlette at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Things that would ensure I would never, ever, return to Noisebridge if I
> >> were to see them there:
> >>
> >> "people getting fucked on a table by a dildo"
> >>
> >> Praveen, this is not as simple as an issue of "inclusion" and a happy
> >> little collective.  The truth of the matter is that when you include
> some
> >> people, you cause others to feel threatened & unsafe and thereby exclude
> >> them.  People who are high at Noisebridge tend to cross boundaries, and
> one
> >> of those boundaries is often the bodily autonomy of women at the
> space.  San
> >> Francisco is full of places where people can go to see folks screw in
> >> public, Noisebridge does not need to be one of them.  If you want to
> display
> >> your bondage technology, go to Wicked Grounds!  If you want to get high
> in
> >> public, go to Dolores Park!  The place full of collectively owned
> powertools
> >> is not the correct venue for those activities.
> >>
> >>
> >> On Sat, Apr 5, 2014 at 7:17 AM, Al Sweigart <asweigart at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Your forgot "dropping acid at the space" and "condoning others to do
> the
> >>> same" on that list, Praveen.
> >>>
> >>> While everyone else talks about problems in the space and practical
> ways
> >>> to solve these problems, you'd rather steer the conversation away from
> that
> >>> and towards the problems of the world. WE CAN SOLVE BOTH AT THE SAME
> TIME.
> >>> Not using Noisebridge as a homeless shelter doesn't mean we must give
> up
> >>> fighting gentrification. In fact, Noisebridge could be even more
> effective
> >>> at solving those problems if it didn't drive people away with its
> reputation
> >>> as a filthy, rodent-infested space where you can buy meth and the
> people who
> >>> steal from you aren't banned.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 7:33 PM, Praveen Sinha <dmhomee at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> The idea of noisebridge as an entity being constrained by leases and
> >>>> zoning laws is one that is frequently bandied about.
> >>>>
> >>>> Indeed, in some amount of time, our lease will be up for
> re-negotiation,
> >>>> at which point we may have to make our own hard decisions of whether
> we can
> >>>> afford a rent increase, or be zoned for the next block of luxury
> housing in
> >>>> the mission.
> >>>>
> >>>> To me, a community is much more powerful than mere contracts or money
> -
> >>>> in fact, it is the community itself that defines both of these
> things.  To
> >>>> me, a community (and movements in general) is most powerful when
> everyone
> >>>> has an ability to participate.  A lot of my off-time work is trying
> to deal
> >>>> with circumstances of  people on the margins of participation:  often
> times
> >>>> people who have lived their whole lives with a world that expects to
> >>>> apologize for they are.  I'll write more on that later.  We are all
> >>>> experiencing the first hand pains and momentous task of forming and
> growing
> >>>> a community.
> >>>>
> >>>> We have options to take on both our lease and our zoning.  It would
> >>>> require landlord buy-in, and it would require pulling connections
> inside the
> >>>> city:  both of these are doable - as an example, many of you may know
> my
> >>>> housing collective has been working with the San Francisco Land
> Trust  (
> >>>> http://www.sfclt.org/ ) to save our house from getting converted
> into a
> >>>> condoplex (and I highly encourage other people living in large
> collectives
> >>>> to look into this).
> >>>>
> >>>> We in the tech community in the bay area are blessed with a lot of
> >>>> political power and influence: and this doesn't just mean twitter or
> google.
> >>>> Not only do we have observers from around the world, but we have
> observers
> >>>> and friends in city hall watching from a distance.  As chaotic and
> >>>> disenfranchised we may think of ourselves, in reality we all wield a
> >>>> tremendous amount of influence as noisebridgers:  we just don't know
> it yet
> >>>> (and this pattern of internalized political disenfranchisement is
> common not
> >>>> just amongst nerds but across many communities).
> >>>>
> >>>> So what does all of this have to do with our tiny collective?  Our
> >>>> kitchen issues?  Our disorganized circuit equipment?  In the span
> that I've
> >>>> been at noisebridge, I've seen and participated in:  people adding new
> >>>> senses in their bodies, people writing the next generation machine
> >>>> recognition software, people making next generation low cost printable
> >>>> circuits, people making at home gene amplification technology, people
> grow
> >>>> mushrooms on a wall, people getting fucked on a table by a dildo and
> spanked
> >>>> by bondage clowns, having knock down intersectional fights of race and
> >>>> gender,  being  a technological staging ground for the occupy
> protests,
> >>>> having our hacker home double up as a shelter for years at a time and
> still
> >>>> function.   We are creating and challenging the bounds of what can be
> done
> >>>> and is possible and not just technologically but socially.
> >>>>
> >>>> In that, I submit that our pains have not to do with mismanagment, but
> >>>> that we need to grow into our next phase for an even larger and more
> dynamic
> >>>> community:  I don't know what it's going to look like or what the
> outcome
> >>>> will be, but as everyone is shuffling about in this latest re-org, I
> think
> >>>> it's important to think bigger and more radical and more creative and
> more
> >>>> inclusive.  As a hackerspace, we can go in directions no other space
> or
> >>>> collective on the planet is capable of at the moment.  Keep it mind
> as we
> >>>> fight our battles, whatever side of drama you wind up on.
> >>>>
> >>>> Love,
> >>>> Praveen
>
> >>>>
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