[Noisebridge-discuss] Noisebridge Bylaws

Ronald Cotoni setient at gmail.com
Tue Apr 8 05:18:23 UTC 2014


Al, Naomi,

We need to start working together.  Both of you are being VERY adversarial
towards each other.  You are both on the board for now and you both have to
work together for now, for the good of noisebridge.   Lets start with what
I suggested on slack.  What is a list of things that can get noisebridge
shut down?  One thing I can immediately think of is creating a nuclear
reactor.  Another would be an illegal drug vending machine and a 3rd would
be an illegal drug making machine.   Oh, here is another.  Herf guns or EMP
generators.   Another thing that would piss off our neighbors and get
noisebridge shut down, would be turning noisebridge into a faraday cage.
This would limit the cell phone services of the grocery store's
customers.   That would not be good.  These are all things that fall under
noisebridge's mission statement and could get it shut down.

Also we need to be more caring towards the board.  They are on the line
legally and financially(depending on the action and depending what type of
insurance the board has).   Let us think of being excellent to them too.


On Mon, Apr 7, 2014 at 6:17 PM, Naomi Most <pnaomi at gmail.com> wrote:

> In my reply, I gave you a chance to see me as a reasonable person,
> because I see you as a theoretically reasonable person.  And I still
> don't see how my reply leaves any "wiggle room" whatsoever.
>
> But, you don't trust me.  Fine.  Nice board we got here.
>
> My answer to your question is, "Yes, I agree that the NB bylaws can't
> be ignored."
>
> On Mon, Apr 7, 2014 at 4:24 PM, Al Sweigart <asweigart at gmail.com> wrote:
> > You changed the subject away from "I believe we can/can't ignore the
> bylaws"
> > to how you feel about changing the bylaws.
> >
> > No, seriously. This isn't some grand evil scheme or trick. I just want to
> > know that the next time the board votes 4 to 1 against you that you won't
> > pull a "well, this board vote doesn't count because I block" even though
> the
> > bylaws say board decisions are made by majority vote.
> >
> > Prediction: You're next email won't answer this question either.
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Apr 7, 2014 at 4:05 PM, Naomi Most <pnaomi at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> There is no "yes or no" question implied here:
> >>
> >> > So, I'm of the mindset that the Noisebridge bylaws are not
> suggestions,
> >> > but rules that cannot be ignored or are somehow optional. Anyone else
> like
> >> > to make a public record if they feel the same way or the opposite?
> >>
> >> You were asking if people "feel the same way or the opposite".  I
> replied:
> >>
> >> > "I am not for changing the bylaws, at all.  Don't see any need to."
> >>
> >> How does this leave wiggle room?
> >>
> >> Whatever.
> >>
> >> On Mon, Apr 7, 2014 at 3:58 PM, Al Sweigart <asweigart at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >> > Nah, it's just that it's a really simple question but your lengthy
> >> > answer
> >> > didn't give a straight yes or no. And the other times I've asked
> you've
> >> > also
> >> > dodged it. Even your current answer of "Did I ever imply otherwise?"
> >> > leaves
> >> > wiggle room for you to later say, "I never said we had to follow the
> >> > bylaws."
> >> >
> >> > Mostly I worry that you make up your own rules for whatever is
> >> > convenient.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On Mon, Apr 7, 2014 at 9:51 AM, Naomi Most <pnaomi at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> Did I ever imply otherwise?
> >> >>
> >> >> You're clearly setting up for something I fear won't pan out for you
> >> >> the way you're hoping...
> >> >>
> >> >> --Naomi
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> On Mon, Apr 7, 2014 at 8:17 AM, Al Sweigart <asweigart at gmail.com>
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >> > So Naomi, does that mean you agree that the Noisebridge bylaws
> can't
> >> >> > be
> >> >> > ignored?
> >> >> >
> >> >> > On Apr 6, 2014 6:15 PM, "Naomi Gmail" <pnaomi at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Good constructive question.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> If we can't agree on the bylaws as a firm basis, then we have no
> >> >> >> foundation at all, and nothing we do in writing or at meetings
> will
> >> >> >> help to
> >> >> >> bring this disparate community together.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> I am not for changing the bylaws, at all.  Don't see any need to.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Of possible relevance:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> In proposing a rewrite -- or better stated, a "renewal"-- of a
> >> >> >> Mission
> >> >> >> Statement, it wasn't my intention to imply a rewrite to the
> bylaws.
> >> >> >> Only a
> >> >> >> rewriting (or not!) of what appears on the wiki as the explanation
> >> >> >> of
> >> >> >> what
> >> >> >> Noisebridge "does" and why, and more importantly, a process of
> >> >> >> coming
> >> >> >> to the
> >> >> >> agreement that helps the community understand itself better.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> --Naomi
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> > On Apr 6, 2014, at 4:47 PM, Al Sweigart <asweigart at gmail.com>
> >> >> >> > wrote:
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > So, I'm of the mindset that the Noisebridge bylaws are not
> >> >> >> > suggestions,
> >> >> >> > but rules that cannot be ignored or are somehow optional. Anyone
> >> >> >> > else
> >> >> >> > like
> >> >> >> > to make a public record if they feel the same way or the
> opposite?
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > -Al
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> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> --
> >> >> Naomi Theora Most
> >> >> naomi at nthmost.com
> >> >> +1-415-728-7490
> >> >>
> >> >> skype: nthmost
> >> >>
> >> >> http://twitter.com/nthmost
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Naomi Theora Most
> >> naomi at nthmost.com
> >> +1-415-728-7490
> >>
> >> skype: nthmost
> >>
> >> http://twitter.com/nthmost
> >
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Naomi Theora Most
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> +1-415-728-7490
>
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>
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-- 
Ronald Cotoni
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