[Noisebridge-discuss] Having a discussion about the kitchen

[Naomi Gmail]

Btw, point of information:

sudo room has a dishwasher. 

--Naomi


> On Apr 3, 2014, at 12:29 PM, Naomi Most <pnaomi at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I have no problem believing that some people don't know how to get
> dishes clean.  I have seen that happen many times in my various shared
> living situations.
> 
> Asserting that people "should not" do a thing if they are ignorant of
> something is basically a nonstarter.  I don't know how to read what's
> available in people's brains as they take a glass from the shelf and
> pour a drink.  Do you?
> 
> --Naomi
> 
> 
>> On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 12:02 PM, Hannah Grimm <dharlette at gmail.com> wrote:
>> "2) There is no clear understanding of how to properly use the kitchen. The
>> average person in the kitchen does not understand how to wash a dish and has
>> an opportunity to be taught. Once again a couple people are mobilized to
>> micromanage the kitchen, but there is no greater community understanding."
>> 
>> Excuse me, what?  Dishwashing is a very simple thing.  We should not have to
>> teach people how to wash the dishes.  If you do not know how to wash your
>> own dishes, then you should not be using a community kitchen.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 9:52 AM, Praveen Sinha <dmhomee at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> THIS IS WHAT IM TALKING ABOUT HELL YEAH COMMUNITY BUILDING
>>> 
>>> Thanks so much James and Dana, these conversations and understanding and
>>> getting past preconceptions of each other and reporting back is really
>>> really important foundational work.  Big plus!!!
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 8:05 AM, James Sundquist <sundquistjames at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Last night there was a lengthy discussion about communal usage of the
>>>> kitchen that spontaneously lasted from 9 - 11:30.  Coffee and cake were
>>>> served.  We talked about do-ocracy, responsibility, and how to have
>>>> effective communication about the kitchen.
>>>> 
>>>> A big take away was that people need to talk about this in-person and
>>>> consider how it impacts everyone, because removing the kitchen will not
>>>> remove Noisebridge's problems by itself.  I just want to note that this
>>>> really was a discussion, which included everyone being able to speak their
>>>> mind while being respected; the point of talking was to gain perspective by
>>>> asking questions rather than talking over others.
>>>> 
>>>> 1) A big reason the daily users of the kitchen do not respect you is
>>>> because they do not know you or feel any connection in the space without a
>>>> communal kitchen.  Any valid concerns of those who want to disable are
>>>> unknown to the daily users of the kitchen.
>>>> 
>>>> 2) There is no clear understanding of how to properly use the kitchen.
>>>> The average person in the kitchen does not understand how to wash a dish and
>>>> has an opportunity to be taught. Once again a couple people are mobilized to
>>>> micromanage the kitchen, but there is no greater community understanding.
>>>> 
>>>> 3) It is difficult to know how capable we all are of having a respectful
>>>> conversation to allows people to maintain their dignity, because community
>>>> building should be the goal when people are in conflict.
>>>> 
>>>> 4) A big part of this as I understood it was reassessing how people are
>>>> introduced to this space.  Example, "Welcome to Noisebridge; we're a 501c3
>>>> Non-profit that encourages education and learning by doing.  This is a
>>>> Do-It-Yourself space so at a base minimum you're expected to wash your own
>>>> dishes and keep your work area clean for the next person."
>>>> 
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