[Noisebridge-discuss] Having a discussion about the kitchen

Ceren Ercen ceren at ercen.com
Thu Apr 3 23:35:58 UTC 2014


A dishwasher will not change the behavior of people who leave kitchen
garbage and dirty plates out. Anyone who has ever had a roommate, ever,
knows that. And hell, usually, I'm "that" roommate!
On Apr 3, 2014 7:33 PM, "daravinne" <daravinne at gmail.com> wrote:

> so uh
>
>
> http://www.amazon.com/InterDesign-Clean-Dirty-Dishwasher-Indicator/dp/B00004XSF9/
>
> in the same vein, a reminder sign reminding people to scrape their dishes
> before putting them in the dishwasher.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 4:21 PM, Jeffrey Carl Faden <jeffreyatw at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Agreed. And there's the even simpler problem of not having a single,
>> easy-to-follow system to determine whether the contents are clean or not.
>> Still interested in hearing how the first one went away. This is obviously
>> out of date:
>> https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Dishwasher
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 4:13 PM, Norman Bradley <pryankster at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>>  The problem I see with a dishwasher is that if people "don't know how
>>> to wash a disk" then they will most likely won't scrape off the dishes
>>> before putting in the washer. Repeatedly fixing a plugged up washer can get
>>> quite expensive.
>>>
>>> You are entitled to your own opinion.
>>> You are NOT entitled to your own facts.
>>>
>>> Norman
>>>
>>> On 4/3/2014 3:28 PM, daravinne wrote:
>>>
>>> i said it on the other thread and i will say it again.
>>>
>>>  DISHWASHER
>>>
>>>  every company i've worked at has a dishwasher.  i hate washing dishes,
>>> myself.  i don't want to waste time away from projects to do boring manual
>>> labor like washing dishes.  and look! we have the technology to make dishes
>>> be washed themselves!
>>>
>>>  I am willing to throw money at obtaining a dishwasher for the space.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 1:01 PM, Naomi Gmail <pnaomi at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Btw, point of information:
>>>>
>>>> sudo room has a dishwasher.
>>>>
>>>> --Naomi
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> > On Apr 3, 2014, at 12:29 PM, Naomi Most <pnaomi at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> > I have no problem believing that some people don't know how to get
>>>> > dishes clean.  I have seen that happen many times in my various shared
>>>> > living situations.
>>>> >
>>>> > Asserting that people "should not" do a thing if they are ignorant of
>>>> > something is basically a nonstarter.  I don't know how to read what's
>>>> > available in people's brains as they take a glass from the shelf and
>>>> > pour a drink.  Do you?
>>>> >
>>>> > --Naomi
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >> On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 12:02 PM, Hannah Grimm <dharlette at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> >> "2) There is no clear understanding of how to properly use the
>>>> kitchen. The
>>>> >> average person in the kitchen does not understand how to wash a dish
>>>> and has
>>>> >> an opportunity to be taught. Once again a couple people are
>>>> mobilized to
>>>> >> micromanage the kitchen, but there is no greater community
>>>> understanding."
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Excuse me, what?  Dishwashing is a very simple thing.  We should not
>>>> have to
>>>> >> teach people how to wash the dishes.  If you do not know how to wash
>>>> your
>>>> >> own dishes, then you should not be using a community kitchen.
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>> On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 9:52 AM, Praveen Sinha <dmhomee at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> THIS IS WHAT IM TALKING ABOUT HELL YEAH COMMUNITY BUILDING
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Thanks so much James and Dana, these conversations and
>>>> understanding and
>>>> >>> getting past preconceptions of each other and reporting back is
>>>> really
>>>> >>> really important foundational work.  Big plus!!!
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 8:05 AM, James Sundquist <
>>>> sundquistjames at gmail.com>
>>>> >>> wrote:
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> Last night there was a lengthy discussion about communal usage of
>>>> the
>>>> >>>> kitchen that spontaneously lasted from 9 - 11:30.  Coffee and cake
>>>> were
>>>> >>>> served.  We talked about do-ocracy, responsibility, and how to have
>>>> >>>> effective communication about the kitchen.
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> A big take away was that people need to talk about this in-person
>>>> and
>>>> >>>> consider how it impacts everyone, because removing the kitchen
>>>> will not
>>>> >>>> remove Noisebridge's problems by itself.  I just want to note that
>>>> this
>>>> >>>> really was a discussion, which included everyone being able to
>>>> speak their
>>>> >>>> mind while being respected; the point of talking was to gain
>>>> perspective by
>>>> >>>> asking questions rather than talking over others.
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> 1) A big reason the daily users of the kitchen do not respect you
>>>> is
>>>> >>>> because they do not know you or feel any connection in the space
>>>> without a
>>>> >>>> communal kitchen.  Any valid concerns of those who want to disable
>>>> are
>>>> >>>> unknown to the daily users of the kitchen.
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> 2) There is no clear understanding of how to properly use the
>>>> kitchen.
>>>> >>>> The average person in the kitchen does not understand how to wash
>>>> a dish and
>>>> >>>> has an opportunity to be taught. Once again a couple people are
>>>> mobilized to
>>>> >>>> micromanage the kitchen, but there is no greater community
>>>> understanding.
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> 3) It is difficult to know how capable we all are of having a
>>>> respectful
>>>> >>>> conversation to allows people to maintain their dignity, because
>>>> community
>>>> >>>> building should be the goal when people are in conflict.
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> 4) A big part of this as I understood it was reassessing how
>>>> people are
>>>> >>>> introduced to this space.  Example, "Welcome to Noisebridge; we're
>>>> a 501c3
>>>> >>>> Non-profit that encourages education and learning by doing.  This
>>>> is a
>>>> >>>> Do-It-Yourself space so at a base minimum you're expected to wash
>>>> your own
>>>> >>>> dishes and keep your work area clean for the next person."
>>>> >>>>
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>>>> >
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