[Noisebridge-discuss] Having a discussion about the kitchen

Thu Apr 3 23:59:20 UTC 2014

Pretty sure the dishwasher either broke or was never properly set up
to begin with.  It was only in the space for maybe 3 months after we
opened at 2169.

--Naomi

On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 4:35 PM, Ceren Ercen <ceren at ercen.com> wrote:
> A dishwasher will not change the behavior of people who leave kitchen
> garbage and dirty plates out. Anyone who has ever had a roommate, ever,
> knows that. And hell, usually, I'm "that" roommate!
>
> On Apr 3, 2014 7:33 PM, "daravinne" <daravinne at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> so uh
>>
>>
>> http://www.amazon.com/InterDesign-Clean-Dirty-Dishwasher-Indicator/dp/B00004XSF9/
>>
>> in the same vein, a reminder sign reminding people to scrape their dishes
>> before putting them in the dishwasher.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 4:21 PM, Jeffrey Carl Faden <jeffreyatw at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Agreed. And there's the even simpler problem of not having a single,
>>> easy-to-follow system to determine whether the contents are clean or not.
>>> Still interested in hearing how the first one went away. This is obviously
>>> out of date:
>>> https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Dishwasher
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 4:13 PM, Norman Bradley <pryankster at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> The problem I see with a dishwasher is that if people "don't know how to
>>>> wash a disk" then they will most likely won't scrape off the dishes before
>>>> putting in the washer. Repeatedly fixing a plugged up washer can get quite
>>>> expensive.
>>>>
>>>> You are entitled to your own opinion.
>>>> You are NOT entitled to your own facts.
>>>>
>>>> Norman
>>>>
>>>> On 4/3/2014 3:28 PM, daravinne wrote:
>>>>
>>>> i said it on the other thread and i will say it again.
>>>>
>>>> DISHWASHER
>>>>
>>>> every company i've worked at has a dishwasher.  i hate washing dishes,
>>>> myself.  i don't want to waste time away from projects to do boring manual
>>>> labor like washing dishes.  and look! we have the technology to make dishes
>>>> be washed themselves!
>>>>
>>>> I am willing to throw money at obtaining a dishwasher for the space.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 1:01 PM, Naomi Gmail <pnaomi at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Btw, point of information:
>>>>>
>>>>> sudo room has a dishwasher.
>>>>>
>>>>> --Naomi
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> > On Apr 3, 2014, at 12:29 PM, Naomi Most <pnaomi at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> >
>>>>> > I have no problem believing that some people don't know how to get
>>>>> > dishes clean.  I have seen that happen many times in my various
>>>>> > shared
>>>>> > living situations.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Asserting that people "should not" do a thing if they are ignorant of
>>>>> > something is basically a nonstarter.  I don't know how to read what's
>>>>> > available in people's brains as they take a glass from the shelf and
>>>>> > pour a drink.  Do you?
>>>>> >
>>>>> > --Naomi
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >> On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 12:02 PM, Hannah Grimm <dharlette at gmail.com>
>>>>> >> wrote:
>>>>> >> "2) There is no clear understanding of how to properly use the
>>>>> >> kitchen. The
>>>>> >> average person in the kitchen does not understand how to wash a dish
>>>>> >> and has
>>>>> >> an opportunity to be taught. Once again a couple people are
>>>>> >> mobilized to
>>>>> >> micromanage the kitchen, but there is no greater community
>>>>> >> understanding."
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Excuse me, what?  Dishwashing is a very simple thing.  We should not
>>>>> >> have to
>>>>> >> teach people how to wash the dishes.  If you do not know how to wash
>>>>> >> your
>>>>> >> own dishes, then you should not be using a community kitchen.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>> On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 9:52 AM, Praveen Sinha <dmhomee at gmail.com>
>>>>> >>> wrote:
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> THIS IS WHAT IM TALKING ABOUT HELL YEAH COMMUNITY BUILDING
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> Thanks so much James and Dana, these conversations and
>>>>> >>> understanding and
>>>>> >>> getting past preconceptions of each other and reporting back is
>>>>> >>> really
>>>>> >>> really important foundational work.  Big plus!!!
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 8:05 AM, James Sundquist
>>>>> >>> <sundquistjames at gmail.com>
>>>>> >>> wrote:
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> Last night there was a lengthy discussion about communal usage of
>>>>> >>>> the
>>>>> >>>> kitchen that spontaneously lasted from 9 - 11:30.  Coffee and cake
>>>>> >>>> were
>>>>> >>>> served.  We talked about do-ocracy, responsibility, and how to
>>>>> >>>> have
>>>>> >>>> effective communication about the kitchen.
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> A big take away was that people need to talk about this in-person
>>>>> >>>> and
>>>>> >>>> consider how it impacts everyone, because removing the kitchen
>>>>> >>>> will not
>>>>> >>>> remove Noisebridge's problems by itself.  I just want to note that
>>>>> >>>> this
>>>>> >>>> really was a discussion, which included everyone being able to
>>>>> >>>> speak their
>>>>> >>>> mind while being respected; the point of talking was to gain
>>>>> >>>> perspective by
>>>>> >>>> asking questions rather than talking over others.
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> 1) A big reason the daily users of the kitchen do not respect you
>>>>> >>>> is
>>>>> >>>> because they do not know you or feel any connection in the space
>>>>> >>>> without a
>>>>> >>>> communal kitchen.  Any valid concerns of those who want to disable
>>>>> >>>> are
>>>>> >>>> unknown to the daily users of the kitchen.
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> 2) There is no clear understanding of how to properly use the
>>>>> >>>> kitchen.
>>>>> >>>> The average person in the kitchen does not understand how to wash
>>>>> >>>> a dish and
>>>>> >>>> has an opportunity to be taught. Once again a couple people are
>>>>> >>>> mobilized to
>>>>> >>>> micromanage the kitchen, but there is no greater community
>>>>> >>>> understanding.
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> 3) It is difficult to know how capable we all are of having a
>>>>> >>>> respectful
>>>>> >>>> conversation to allows people to maintain their dignity, because
>>>>> >>>> community
>>>>> >>>> building should be the goal when people are in conflict.
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> 4) A big part of this as I understood it was reassessing how
>>>>> >>>> people are
>>>>> >>>> introduced to this space.  Example, "Welcome to Noisebridge; we're
>>>>> >>>> a 501c3
>>>>> >>>> Non-profit that encourages education and learning by doing.  This
>>>>> >>>> is a
>>>>> >>>> Do-It-Yourself space so at a base minimum you're expected to wash
>>>>> >>>> your own
>>>>> >>>> dishes and keep your work area clean for the next person."
>>>>> >>>>
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