[Noisebridge-discuss] Having a discussion about the kitchen

immonad immonad at yahoo.com
Fri Apr 4 02:37:49 UTC 2014


 things you need have people do if you had a dishwasher

1.   Take dishes back to the kitchen. Some people flat out refuses. 

2.    Scrap food solids into compost and put noncompostables into recycle or garbage.   

3.    Rinse only in the left sink (the one with the garbage disposal).  The other two are not connected to it so constantly clogs with solids. 

4.    Load dishwasher when reasonably full.  Add the correct amount of the correct chemicals.  Which buttons to push to turn on(special class needed).

5.    Unload clean dishes immediately when done so dirty dishes does not get mixed with clean ones. Load dirty dishes accmulated while dishwasher was working.

6.   Which items has to be hand washed.

Etc.

Item 1  has been a challenge and  how much more you want them to do?

-------- Original message --------
From: Jeffrey Carl Faden <jeffreyatw at gmail.com> 
Date:04/03/2014  4:35 PM  (GMT-08:00) 
To: daravinne <daravinne at gmail.com> 
Cc: noisebridge-discuss at lists.noisebridge.net 
Subject: Re: [Noisebridge-discuss] Having a discussion about the kitchen 

We have that at an office where I contract. It's never accurate.

At home we have a dishwasher that latches manually, so when it's closed it's cleaning/clean, and when it's open it's not. Would probably be easier to have a sign explaining this rather than having an indicator that is separate from the dishwasher itself.


On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 4:32 PM, daravinne <daravinne at gmail.com> wrote:
so uh

http://www.amazon.com/InterDesign-Clean-Dirty-Dishwasher-Indicator/dp/B00004XSF9/

in the same vein, a reminder sign reminding people to scrape their dishes before putting them in the dishwasher.  



On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 4:21 PM, Jeffrey Carl Faden <jeffreyatw at gmail.com> wrote:
Agreed. And there's the even simpler problem of not having a single, easy-to-follow system to determine whether the contents are clean or not. Still interested in hearing how the first one went away. This is obviously out of date:
https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Dishwasher


On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 4:13 PM, Norman Bradley <pryankster at gmail.com> wrote:
The problem I see with a dishwasher is that if people "don't know how to wash a disk" then they will most likely won't scrape off the dishes before putting in the washer. Repeatedly fixing a plugged up washer can get quite expensive.
You are entitled to your own opinion.
You are NOT entitled to your own facts.

Norman
On 4/3/2014 3:28 PM, daravinne wrote:
i said it on the other thread and i will say it again.         

DISHWASHER

every company i've worked at has a dishwasher.  i hate washing dishes, myself.  i don't want to waste time away from projects to do boring manual labor like washing dishes.  and look! we have the technology to make dishes be washed themselves!

I am willing to throw money at obtaining a dishwasher for the space. 


On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 1:01 PM,               Naomi Gmail <pnaomi at gmail.com> wrote:
Btw, point of information:

sudo room has a dishwasher.

--Naomi


> On Apr 3, 2014, at 12:29 PM, Naomi Most <pnaomi at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I have no problem believing that some people don't know how to get
> dishes clean.  I have seen that happen many times in my various shared
> living situations.
>
> Asserting that people "should not" do a thing if they are ignorant of
> something is basically a nonstarter.  I don't know how to read what's
> available in people's brains as they take a glass from the shelf and
> pour a drink.  Do you?
>
> --Naomi
>
>
>> On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 12:02 PM, Hannah Grimm <dharlette at gmail.com> wrote:
>> "2) There is no clear understanding of how to properly use the kitchen. The
>> average person in the kitchen does not understand how to wash a dish and has
>> an opportunity to be taught. Once again a couple people are mobilized to
>> micromanage the kitchen, but there is no                     greater community understanding."
>>
>> Excuse me, what?  Dishwashing is a very simple thing.  We should not have to
>> teach people how to wash the dishes.  If you do not know how to wash your
>> own dishes, then you should not be using a community kitchen.
>>
>>
>>> On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 9:52 AM, Praveen Sinha <dmhomee at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> THIS IS WHAT IM TALKING ABOUT HELL YEAH COMMUNITY BUILDING
>>>
>>> Thanks so much James and Dana, these conversations and understanding and
>>> getting past preconceptions of each other and reporting back is really
>>> really important foundational work.  Big plus!!!
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 8:05 AM, James Sundquist <sundquistjames at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Last night there was a lengthy                     discussion about communal usage of the
>>>> kitchen that spontaneously lasted from 9 - 11:30.  Coffee and cake were
>>>> served.  We talked about do-ocracy, responsibility, and how to have
>>>> effective communication about the kitchen.
>>>>
>>>> A big take away was that people need to talk about this in-person and
>>>> consider how it impacts everyone, because removing the kitchen will not
>>>> remove Noisebridge's problems by itself.  I just want to note that this
>>>> really was a discussion, which included everyone being able to speak their
>>>> mind while being respected; the                     point of talking was to gain perspective by
>>>> asking questions rather than talking over others.
>>>>
>>>> 1) A big reason the daily users of the kitchen do not respect you is
>>>> because they do not know you or feel any connection in the space without a
>>>> communal kitchen.  Any valid concerns of those who want to disable are
>>>> unknown to the daily users of the kitchen.
>>>>
>>>> 2) There is no clear understanding of how to properly use the kitchen.
>>>> The average person in the kitchen does not understand how to wash a dish and
>>>> has an opportunity to be taught. Once again a couple people are mobilized to
>>>> micromanage the kitchen, but there is no greater community understanding.
>>>>
>>>> 3) It is difficult to know how capable we all are of having a respectful
>>>> conversation to allows people to maintain their dignity, because community
>>>> building should be the goal when people are in conflict.
>>>>
>>>> 4) A big part of this as I understood it was reassessing how people are
>>>> introduced to this space.  Example, "Welcome to Noisebridge; we're a 501c3
>>>> Non-profit that encourages education and learning by doing.  This is a
>>>> Do-It-Yourself space so at a base minimum you're expected to wash your own
>>>> dishes and keep your work area clean for the next person."
>>>>
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