[Noisebridge-discuss] Having a discussion about the kitchen

Al Sweigart asweigart at gmail.com
Sat Apr 5 04:39:23 UTC 2014


While it has the obvious negative side of being slightly wasteful, an
obvious and simple solution is to replace the dishes with compostable paper
plates and cups.
On Apr 3, 2014 7:38 PM, "immonad" <immonad at yahoo.com> wrote:

>  things you need have people do if you had a dishwasher
>
> 1.   Take dishes back to the kitchen. Some people flat out refuses.
>
> 2.    Scrap food solids into compost and put noncompostables into recycle
> or garbage.
>
> 3.    Rinse only in the left sink (the one with the garbage disposal).
>  The other two are not connected to it so constantly clogs with solids.
>
> 4.    Load dishwasher when reasonably full.  Add the correct amount of the
> correct chemicals.  Which buttons to push to turn on(special class needed).
>
> 5.    Unload clean dishes immediately when done so dirty dishes does not
> get mixed with clean ones. Load dirty dishes accmulated while dishwasher
> was working.
>
> 6.   Which items has to be hand washed.
>
> Etc.
>
> Item 1  has been a challenge and  how much more you want them to do?
>
>
> -------- Original message --------
> From: Jeffrey Carl Faden
> Date:04/03/2014 4:35 PM (GMT-08:00)
> To: daravinne
> Cc: noisebridge-discuss at lists.noisebridge.net
> Subject: Re: [Noisebridge-discuss] Having a discussion about the kitchen
>
> We have that at an office where I contract. It's never accurate.
>
> At home we have a dishwasher that latches manually, so when it's closed
> it's cleaning/clean, and when it's open it's not. Would probably be easier
> to have a sign explaining this rather than having an indicator that is
> separate from the dishwasher itself.
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 4:32 PM, daravinne <daravinne at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> so uh
>>
>>
>> http://www.amazon.com/InterDesign-Clean-Dirty-Dishwasher-Indicator/dp/B00004XSF9/
>>
>> in the same vein, a reminder sign reminding people to scrape their dishes
>> before putting them in the dishwasher.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 4:21 PM, Jeffrey Carl Faden <jeffreyatw at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> Agreed. And there's the even simpler problem of not having a single,
>>> easy-to-follow system to determine whether the contents are clean or not.
>>> Still interested in hearing how the first one went away. This is obviously
>>> out of date:
>>> https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Dishwasher
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 4:13 PM, Norman Bradley <pryankster at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>>  The problem I see with a dishwasher is that if people "don't know how
>>>> to wash a disk" then they will most likely won't scrape off the dishes
>>>> before putting in the washer. Repeatedly fixing a plugged up washer can get
>>>> quite expensive.
>>>>
>>>> You are entitled to your own opinion.
>>>> You are NOT entitled to your own facts.
>>>>
>>>> Norman
>>>>
>>>> On 4/3/2014 3:28 PM, daravinne wrote:
>>>>
>>>> i said it on the other thread and i will say it again.
>>>>
>>>>  DISHWASHER
>>>>
>>>>  every company i've worked at has a dishwasher.  i hate washing
>>>> dishes, myself.  i don't want to waste time away from projects to do boring
>>>> manual labor like washing dishes.  and look! we have the technology to make
>>>> dishes be washed themselves!
>>>>
>>>>  I am willing to throw money at obtaining a dishwasher for the space.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 1:01 PM, Naomi Gmail <pnaomi at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Btw, point of information:
>>>>>
>>>>> sudo room has a dishwasher.
>>>>>
>>>>> --Naomi
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> > On Apr 3, 2014, at 12:29 PM, Naomi Most <pnaomi at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> >
>>>>> > I have no problem believing that some people don't know how to get
>>>>> > dishes clean.  I have seen that happen many times in my various
>>>>> shared
>>>>> > living situations.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Asserting that people "should not" do a thing if they are ignorant of
>>>>> > something is basically a nonstarter.  I don't know how to read what's
>>>>> > available in people's brains as they take a glass from the shelf and
>>>>> > pour a drink.  Do you?
>>>>> >
>>>>> > --Naomi
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >> On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 12:02 PM, Hannah Grimm <dharlette at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> >> "2) There is no clear understanding of how to properly use the
>>>>> kitchen. The
>>>>> >> average person in the kitchen does not understand how to wash a
>>>>> dish and has
>>>>> >> an opportunity to be taught. Once again a couple people are
>>>>> mobilized to
>>>>> >> micromanage the kitchen, but there is no greater community
>>>>> understanding."
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Excuse me, what?  Dishwashing is a very simple thing.  We should
>>>>> not have to
>>>>> >> teach people how to wash the dishes.  If you do not know how to
>>>>> wash your
>>>>> >> own dishes, then you should not be using a community kitchen.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>> On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 9:52 AM, Praveen Sinha <dmhomee at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> THIS IS WHAT IM TALKING ABOUT HELL YEAH COMMUNITY BUILDING
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> Thanks so much James and Dana, these conversations and
>>>>> understanding and
>>>>> >>> getting past preconceptions of each other and reporting back is
>>>>> really
>>>>> >>> really important foundational work.  Big plus!!!
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 8:05 AM, James Sundquist <
>>>>> sundquistjames at gmail.com>
>>>>> >>> wrote:
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> Last night there was a lengthy discussion about communal usage of
>>>>> the
>>>>> >>>> kitchen that spontaneously lasted from 9 - 11:30.  Coffee and
>>>>> cake were
>>>>> >>>> served.  We talked about do-ocracy, responsibility, and how to
>>>>> have
>>>>> >>>> effective communication about the kitchen.
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> A big take away was that people need to talk about this in-person
>>>>> and
>>>>> >>>> consider how it impacts everyone, because removing the kitchen
>>>>> will not
>>>>> >>>> remove Noisebridge's problems by itself.  I just want to note
>>>>> that this
>>>>> >>>> really was a discussion, which included everyone being able to
>>>>> speak their
>>>>> >>>> mind while being respected; the point of talking was to gain
>>>>> perspective by
>>>>> >>>> asking questions rather than talking over others.
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> 1) A big reason the daily users of the kitchen do not respect you
>>>>> is
>>>>> >>>> because they do not know you or feel any connection in the space
>>>>> without a
>>>>> >>>> communal kitchen.  Any valid concerns of those who want to
>>>>> disable are
>>>>> >>>> unknown to the daily users of the kitchen.
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> 2) There is no clear understanding of how to properly use the
>>>>> kitchen.
>>>>> >>>> The average person in the kitchen does not understand how to wash
>>>>> a dish and
>>>>> >>>> has an opportunity to be taught. Once again a couple people are
>>>>> mobilized to
>>>>> >>>> micromanage the kitchen, but there is no greater community
>>>>> understanding.
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> 3) It is difficult to know how capable we all are of having a
>>>>> respectful
>>>>> >>>> conversation to allows people to maintain their dignity, because
>>>>> community
>>>>> >>>> building should be the goal when people are in conflict.
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> 4) A big part of this as I understood it was reassessing how
>>>>> people are
>>>>> >>>> introduced to this space.  Example, "Welcome to Noisebridge;
>>>>> we're a 501c3
>>>>> >>>> Non-profit that encourages education and learning by doing.  This
>>>>> is a
>>>>> >>>> Do-It-Yourself space so at a base minimum you're expected to wash
>>>>> your own
>>>>> >>>> dishes and keep your work area clean for the next person."
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>> >
>>>>> > --
>>>>> > Naomi Theora Most
>>>>> > naomi at nthmost.com
>>>>> > +1-415-728-7490
>>>>> >
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>>>>> >
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