[Noisebridge-discuss] 2 sleepers this morning

Romy Ilano romy at snowyla.com
Tue Feb 18 03:10:01 UTC 2014


Well as discussed earlier many times the lease doesn't allow for sleepers. That fact cannot be decided by consensus 

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> On Feb 17, 2014, at 1:00 PM, Al Sweigart <asweigart at gmail.com> wrote:
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> I don't think the problem is getting more people to support a sleeping ban, but that a minority of members would block it because they like sleeping overnight at the space.
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>> On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 9:23 AM, Romy Ilano <romy at snowyla.com> wrote:
>> I'll come to the next meeting if the elevator is working (temporarily disabled)
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>> Maybe if more people came supporting the sleeping ban it would help 
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>> Snowyla.com
>> Romyilano.com
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>>> On Feb 16, 2014, at 5:33 PM, Curtis Gagliardi <gagliardi.curtis at gmail.com> wrote:
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>>> I realized the sleepers were a problem, but it wasnt' until the last meeting I went to where people weren't willing to consider banning sleepers or sleeping that I realized people thought it was ok.  It was pretty depressing. 
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>>>> On Sun, Feb 16, 2014 at 5:12 PM, Romy Ilano <romy at snowyla.com> wrote:
>>>> Wow, people are still arguing about whether sleepers are OK or not? 
>>>> 
>>>> I thought it was pretty clear that sleepers aren't allowed. I'm confused! 
>>>> 
>>>> Since consensus cannot block the fact that Noisebridge must pay rent, maybe I'll help get that Noisebridge fundraising party event started as soon as possible.
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>>>> 
>>>> Romy Ilano
>>>> romy at snowyla.com
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>>>>> On Sun, Feb 16, 2014 at 3:29 PM, Al Sweigart <asweigart at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Much as Noisebridgers don't want to air our dirty laundry, people sleeping and/or squatting at Noisebridge has been a constant problem for the last several years. Because consensus makes it impossible for us to establish sleeping as forbidden, okay, or okay under some circumstances (there will always be one person to block the proposal either way), there hasn't been any effective resolution.
>>>>> 
>>>>> The usual cycle is: some people start crashing at Noisebridge, more people start crashing at Noisebridge, people start living at Noisebridge, it becomes a problem too large to ignore and people crack down and tell people to stop squatting at Noisebridge, then some people start crashing at Noisebridge.
>>>>> 
>>>>> It's pretty much always the same few people using Noisebridge as their bedroom, so don't think that everyone is treating the space as a commune.
>>>>> 
>>>>> -Al
>>>>> 
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>>>>>> On Sun, Feb 16, 2014 at 11:11 AM, Justin Hasuike <jwcalmus at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> To be honest, I was interested in the hackerspace and subscribed accordingly to see what's going on before stopping by to check it out.  Thanks for clarifying Romy, seemed a little awkward :)
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> -Justin
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>>>>>>> On Sun, Feb 16, 2014 at 7:55 AM, Romy Ilano <romy at snowyla.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> I hope people reading the list don't think the people at noise bridge argue over semantics like this 100% of the time . 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> When we aren't fleeing tech talks we actually hack.. This discussion is maybe 1% of the real activity that goes on
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>>>>>>> Snowyla.com
>>>>>>> Romyilano.com
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>>>>>>>> On Feb 15, 2014, at 10:35 PM, Hannah Grimm <dharlette at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> "It" refers to objects, not people, so pretending you have some grammatical high-ground here is ludicrous. 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Not to mention, we use "they" singularly all the time in our language, and have since Shakespeare.  Since before Shakespeare.  Since Chaucer.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Imagine that sentence without the dehumanizing "it": "Male or female THEY should be gone."  Hardly going to destroy the English language.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Feb 15, 2014 at 10:16 PM, Al Sweigart <asweigart at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> No-hat aka Josh was out of town over the holidays, but before then Ive found him sleeping overnight at Noisebridge. He's been doing this a while.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> On Feb 15, 2014 9:43 PM, "Hannah Grimm" <dharlette at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Can you NOT refer to people of unknown gender as "it?"  We already have a word for that which doesn't dehumanize people by comparing them to objects.  It's "they."
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Feb 15, 2014 at 9:10 PM, Norman Bradley <pryankster at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> N0_Hat is also spamming the wiki and should be GONE. Male or female IT should be gone.
>>>>>>>>>>> You are entitled to your own opinion.
>>>>>>>>>>> You are NOT entitled to your own facts.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Norman
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2/15/2014 7:57 PM, Paul Monad wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> One in turing named sid.  Other was __Hat. Both claimed they were just napping.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Nick was here but not sleeping.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
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