[Noisebridge-discuss] 90 Day "Ban" on banning people.

Al Sweigart asweigart at gmail.com
Mon Feb 24 17:07:44 UTC 2014

I just want to assert that banning people isn't a sign of dysfunction for
an organization. I understand that there's an instinctive aversion to
excluding people, but if we do not bar people who assault, steal, an abuse
other people at the space, we are in effect banning their victims: people
won't put up with a hostile environment at Noisebridge and will leave.

I think point 1 on the "Geek Social Fallacies" site covers this well:

"Geek Social Fallacy #1: Ostracizers Are Evil

GSF1 is one of the most common fallacies, and one of the most deeply held.
Many geeks have had horrible, humiliating, and formative experiences with
ostracism, and the notion of being on the other side of the transaction is
repugnant to them.

In its non-pathological form, GSF1 is benign, and even commendable: it is
long past time we all grew up and stopped with the junior high popularity
games. However, in its pathological form, GSF1 prevents its carrier from
participating in -- or tolerating -- the exclusion of anyone from anything,
be it a party, a comic book store, or a web forum, and no matter how
obnoxious, offensive, or aromatic the prospective excludee may be."

On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 8:03 AM, Al Sweigart <asweigart at gmail.com> wrote:

> I don't think Mitch's vision of Noisebridge included people physically
> assaulting others, stealing, and screaming that they were going to kill
> everyone-- but not being banned.
> Maestro, I think calling people the Hitler Youth is... a bit much.
> -Al
> On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 12:42 AM, maestro <maestro415 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> +1...
>> sadly those with the 'faith' are thinning in sentient attendance
>> and/or quietly observing from the forest(s) until the hitler youth are
>> burned up once again.
>> so goeth the cycle.
>> On 2/23/14, Oren Beck <orenbeck at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Speaking as a distant observer yet "spiritually" invested in
>> Noisebridge,
>> > I ask us a sober question.
>> >
>> > ARE we being faithful to the vision  that Mitch and the other founders
>> > wanted when they began this??
>> >
>> --
>> *~the quieter you become, the more you are able to hear...*
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