[Noisebridge-discuss] N0_Hat's reaction to User:Gergorydillon perception of events leading to Ban Request my User:Flamsmark

Howard Tsu howard.tsu at gmail.com
Wed Feb 26 00:01:49 UTC 2014

Supplementation: lack of communication and understanding on behalf of both
Recent engagements have only been "you are sleeping" & "no I am not."

On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 3:23 PM, Jeffrey Carl Faden <jeffreyatw at gmail.com>wrote:

> Dude, are you plastering CGI boobs all over the Noisebridge wiki?
> Jeffrey
> On Feb 25, 2014, at 3:19 PM, hush.hat at hushmail.com wrote:
> I was surprised to be notified about User:Gregorydillon account of the
> events that occurred in the morning he asked me to leave. At the bottom of
> his lengthy discussion section is this section which i will edit to fit my
> account as well as the account witnessed by Qbit and Sid who were in the
> space with me at the time in the Hacker-torium:
>  Asked Josh to leave this morning and not return until the Tuesday meeting
> I asked Josh to leave this morning and not return until the Tuesday
> meeting. (true)
> I arrived about 6:30, (false 5:30) and put on the lights (turned on all
> the lights in the Hackertorium where 3 people were working in the dark on
> their computers with only light LED lights on). He became *incensed*(false) asked politley, "hay Greg can you turn the one by the electronic
> equiptment shelf off its kind of too bright for our eyes [all three peopl
> in agreement, 2 actually saying if he could turn all of them back off it
> was too bright.
> Gregorydillions responce: "I JUST GOT HERE!!!" screaming with rage while
> standing
> N0_Hat: "Um, i understand that but that is not what i mean Greg, its just
> the light is hurting out eyes and we have been coding all night on a
> project can you just turn off one of the 4 swiches, the one for the
> electronics shelf area off its putting strain on our eyes (he chose to sit
> at the center to the table on the elevator side of the table)."
> Gregorydilions responce: "I JUST GOT HERE!!!"
> N0_Hat: "Dude that has nothing to do with what i am askaing, i am just
> asking if you can turn off one of the swiches because its its too early in
> the morning and its straining our eyes."
> Gregorydillion: "I JUST GOT HERE!!!!!!"
> N0_Hat: "Dude what are you talking about? i just asking you to turn off
> one of the lights what does your statement have to do with that?"
> Gregorydillion: "I JUST GOT HERE!!!! NOOO!! (storms off to make some
> coffee)
> leaving me, Sid, & Qbit wondering what would make him act in such an
> extreme manner.
> that I turned on the lights. A
> I walked away from him and began making a cup of coffee. *He turned light
> of*f false
> When I came back there were 4 tea cups, with tea bag in most, *glasses* (
> one ), *plates* ( one ) and *uneaten food on the common table* ( just my
> bag of nachos which were right next to my laptop that was on next to all my
> stuff ) true: leftover from lastnight, none of which belonged to N0_Hat
> or Qbit or Sid. I asked who's? True and got no response.True, no reply
> was given because 1st it was not our's, 2nd because all three of us were
> being spoken to in a Authoritarian, Overly-Agressive Tone I began
> cleaning it up, and Josh went all argumentative again not to touch his food instead
> of taking the cups and dishes he grabbed an extra large bad of nachos which
> belonged to me and were half full seated directly infront of my jacket
> covered chair on the table which had my laptop and water bottle, what i
> said was,
> N0_Hat:"hay can you please not touch my food without my permission like
> that."
> Gregorydillion: "Well i asked who's food this was (false)"
> N0_Hat: "no you didnt and i have already asked you about the light but you
> wont bother to turn off even one out of the four that i asked for, so since
> this is a do-ocracy, i guess i will do it myself.
> Gregorydillon: NO YOU WON'T!!! in Agressively yelling
> N0_Hat: Yes, i wll and their is no obligation for anyone to take orders
> from you at Noisebridge, this is a do-ocracy and you have no Authoritative
> power over me or anyone else in this space. (take my food which he is still
> holding and go to put it back where it was next to my laptop) On the way
> back to the project i am working on my the audio equiptment i say, "Gregory
> please don't touch my stuff again like that without my permission i
> consider is extremely rude"
> I said he needs to acknowledge and clean. true *Became more
> argumentative. false "Greg i get that you want to clean but please don't go
> around just peoples things from the table like that its extreamly rude and
> inconsiderate" *
> I asked him to leave true
> Gregorydillion:"N0_HAT you know what, I want you out of here now!")
> N0_Hat: What? what did I do???? why are you asking me to leave
> Gregorydillon: "N0_HAT I SAID I WANT YOU OUT OF HERE NOW!!!" screaming at
> the top of his lungs.
> N0_Hat: Dude what are you talking about, i havent done anything"
> QBit: Dude you can't just ask N0_Hat to leave like that he hasent done
> anything to you!
>  Sid: Greg you need to calm down you are over reacting, N0_Hat hasent done
> anything to deserve being asked to leave.
> Gregorydillon: N0_HAT I WANT YOU OUT NOW!!!
> N0_Hat: "do you guys think i have done something wrong that i should be
> asked to leave?"
> Qbit: No just ignore him he is loosing it
> Sid: No you don't have to leave
> N0_Hat: dude majority vote by two members, i am sorry but i am not going
> anywhere, i have two witnesses here that know i havent done anything that
> deserves me being asked to leave
> *and not return until the Tuesday meeting* true. * He said he wasn't
> going anywhere* true *and claimed that I was being rude*. true
> hmmn (storms off mumbering to himself and slamming ever step down the
> stairs)
> N0_Hat, Sid, & Qbit, left puzzled and shocked
> Qbit:"oh my god what is with that guy. He usually just works in the
> library which was completely empty why out of all days did he pick today to
> sit here and then on top of that act that crazy?"
> N0_Hat: "dude im not going to fuck up my morning trying to figure that guy
> out, he is loosing it, i just want to get back to work, lets put some music
> on to restore the vibe in here."
> Sid: (Laughing) WOWWW just when you think you get this place, shit like
> this happens"
> -----People who were witnesses that can confirm this to be a true account,
> two:
> Qbit and Sid who were with me working the entire night and were in the
> hacker-torium when incident occurred
> ----People who can confirm Greg's account of what happened, *zero*
> further more on the Feb  19 post to his discussion tab claims, and i
> quote, " when I spoke to Josh we got to the mutual * asked to leave*status" [False] Gregorydillion was never asked to leave by anyone he
> stormed off.
> Gregorydillon, please try to communicate with me and tell me, Sid, and
> Qbit why you behaved the way you did and why you felt the need to leave out
> so many details and facts that actually occurred, I am up for ban my Tom
> for not leaving and through i appreciate you expressing yourself the
> community , this time i feel that i cannot ignore the actions you took
> because they have great effect on me in the Noisebridge community.
> Also, User:HelloHowardYou sent me a private email on Feb 19th (which i can
> provide as evidence) saying that he mediated this incident with you, this
> is a direct quote.
> "This morning I have spoken with Greg about what happened this morning,
> and *he recognized that he handles the situation with previous judgments
> as he should have communicated more- in that when entering the space and
> seeing people having turned the lights off he should have asked first
> instead of imposing his actions onto everyone around. He also recognized
> that his actions are antagonizing toward you, but rooting in the lack of
> understanding and communication*. A standard protocol in dealing with
> disagreements is when asked, both parties leave the space until it can be
> either mediated through conversation or to ask the community at large to
> assist in coming in terms of an agreement/solution. As unfair as the
> situation was, I believe the best procedure is to reach out to Greg and
> come to a terms of solution. As of this morning, he has agreed to not come
> back to the space until next Tuesday if you are willing to do the same (no
> i was not willing but he decided to stay away from the space anyway) (no
> more morning check-ups(authoritarian domineering pacing up and down the
> space with his camera phone out in anticipation to take a picture
> selectively amoung the people in the space of anyone who is napping or
> dosed off and then getting on his wiki survalence blog to write about it ).
> Instead of resorting to two people being absent from the space, an open
> line of communication may help assist with arriving at a win/win situation. (i
> was never once been contacted my Gregory)"
> Randomly running into User Flamsmark at Noisebridge and asking to speak
> with him regarding ban proposals i had put forth and my pseudonym not being
> used even after notifying Gregorydillon multiple times and asking 3
> different Council Members to tell him as well when he did not comply due to
> security risk it causes me. Eight minutes into the conversation which
> happened when the meeting was done. Conversation went something like this:
> User:Flamsmark: "N0_Hat is it true that you did not leave when
> User:GregoryDillon asked you to leave?"
> N0_Hat: "Yes, but he did it for no reason."
> User:Flamsmark " N0_Hat i am asking you to leae Noisebridge right now"
> N0_Hat: "But why? i havent done anything wrong"
> User: Flamsmark "Doesn't matter please leave Noisebridge immediately."
> N0_Hat: "I need a bit of time"
> User: Flamsmark "You have 10 munutes"
> N0_Hat: (starts packing belongings into research project handhelf
> briefcase and laptop into a second case used to carry netbook and external
> hardrives. Sid leaves Noisebridge with me and carried my laptop briefcase)
> (witness of this even taking place: Qbit and Sid)
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