[Noisebridge-discuss] N0_Hat's reaction to User:Gergorydillon perception of events leading to Ban Request my User:Flamsmark

Al Sweigart asweigart at gmail.com
Wed Feb 26 00:25:29 UTC 2014


Naomi, what do you mean by that?


On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 4:11 PM, Naomi Gmail <pnaomi at gmail.com> wrote:

> "up for ban by Tom"
>
> The single most indicative phrase in the whole account.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Feb 25, 2014, at 4:01 PM, Howard Tsu <howard.tsu at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Supplementation: lack of communication and understanding on behalf of both
> parties.
> Recent engagements have only been "you are sleeping" & "no I am not."
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 3:23 PM, Jeffrey Carl Faden <jeffreyatw at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Dude, are you plastering CGI boobs all over the Noisebridge wiki?
>>
>> Jeffrey
>>
>> On Feb 25, 2014, at 3:19 PM, hush.hat at hushmail.com wrote:
>>
>> I was surprised to be notified about User:Gregorydillon account of the
>> events that occurred in the morning he asked me to leave. At the bottom of
>> his lengthy discussion section is this section which i will edit to fit my
>> account as well as the account witnessed by Qbit and Sid who were in the
>> space with me at the time in the Hacker-torium:
>>
>>  Asked Josh to leave this morning and not return until the Tuesday
>> meeting
>>
>> I asked Josh to leave this morning and not return until the Tuesday
>> meeting. (true)
>>
>> I arrived about 6:30, (false 5:30) and put on the lights (turned on all
>> the lights in the Hackertorium where 3 people were working in the dark
>> on their computers with only light LED lights on). He became *incensed*(false) asked politley, "hay Greg can you turn the one by the electronic
>> equiptment shelf off its kind of too bright for our eyes [all three peopl
>> in agreement, 2 actually saying if he could turn all of them back off it
>> was too bright.
>>
>> Gregorydillions responce: "I JUST GOT HERE!!!" screaming with rage while
>> standing
>>
>> N0_Hat: "Um, i understand that but that is not what i mean Greg, its just
>> the light is hurting out eyes and we have been coding all night on a
>> project can you just turn off one of the 4 swiches, the one for the
>> electronics shelf area off its putting strain on our eyes (he chose to sit
>> at the center to the table on the elevator side of the table)."
>>
>> Gregorydilions responce: "I JUST GOT HERE!!!"
>>
>> N0_Hat: "Dude that has nothing to do with what i am askaing, i am just
>> asking if you can turn off one of the swiches because its its too early in
>> the morning and its straining our eyes."
>>
>> Gregorydillion: "I JUST GOT HERE!!!!!!"
>>
>> N0_Hat: "Dude what are you talking about? i just asking you to turn off
>> one of the lights what does your statement have to do with that?"
>>
>> Gregorydillion: "I JUST GOT HERE!!!! NOOO!! (storms off to make some
>> coffee)
>>
>> leaving me, Sid, & Qbit wondering what would make him act in such an
>> extreme manner.
>>
>> that I turned on the lights. A
>>
>> I walked away from him and began making a cup of coffee. *He turned
>> light of*f false
>>
>> When I came back there were 4 tea cups, with tea bag in most, *glasses* (
>> one ), *plates* ( one ) and *uneaten food on the common table* ( just my
>> bag of nachos which were right next to my laptop that was on next to all my
>> stuff ) true: leftover from lastnight, none of which belonged to N0_Hat
>> or Qbit or Sid. I asked who's? True and got no response.True, no reply
>> was given because 1st it was not our's, 2nd because all three of us were
>> being spoken to in a Authoritarian, Overly-Agressive Tone I began
>> cleaning it up, and Josh went all argumentative again not to touch his food instead
>> of taking the cups and dishes he grabbed an extra large bad of nachos which
>> belonged to me and were half full seated directly infront of my jacket
>> covered chair on the table which had my laptop and water bottle, what i
>> said was,
>>
>> N0_Hat:"hay can you please not touch my food without my permission like
>> that."
>>
>> Gregorydillion: "Well i asked who's food this was (false)"
>>
>> N0_Hat: "no you didnt and i have already asked you about the light but
>> you wont bother to turn off even one out of the four that i asked for, so
>> since this is a do-ocracy, i guess i will do it myself.
>>
>> Gregorydillon: NO YOU WON'T!!! in Agressively yelling
>>
>> N0_Hat: Yes, i wll and their is no obligation for anyone to take orders
>> from you at Noisebridge, this is a do-ocracy and you have no Authoritative
>> power over me or anyone else in this space. (take my food which he is still
>> holding and go to put it back where it was next to my laptop) On the way
>> back to the project i am working on my the audio equiptment i say, "Gregory
>> please don't touch my stuff again like that without my permission i
>> consider is extremely rude"
>>
>> I said he needs to acknowledge and clean. true *Became more
>> argumentative. false "Greg i get that you want to clean but please don't go
>> around just peoples things from the table like that its extreamly rude and
>> inconsiderate" *
>>
>> I asked him to leave true
>>
>> Gregorydillion:"N0_HAT you know what, I want you out of here now!")
>>
>> N0_Hat: What? what did I do???? why are you asking me to leave
>>
>> Gregorydillon: "N0_HAT I SAID I WANT YOU OUT OF HERE NOW!!!" screaming at
>> the top of his lungs.
>>
>> N0_Hat: Dude what are you talking about, i havent done anything"
>>
>> QBit: Dude you can't just ask N0_Hat to leave like that he hasent done
>> anything to you!
>>
>>  Sid: Greg you need to calm down you are over reacting, N0_Hat hasent
>> done anything to deserve being asked to leave.
>>
>> Gregorydillon: N0_HAT I WANT YOU OUT NOW!!!
>>
>> N0_Hat: "do you guys think i have done something wrong that i should be
>> asked to leave?"
>>
>> Qbit: No just ignore him he is loosing it
>>
>> Sid: No you don't have to leave
>>
>> N0_Hat: dude majority vote by two members, i am sorry but i am not going
>> anywhere, i have two witnesses here that know i havent done anything that
>> deserves me being asked to leave
>>
>> *and not return until the Tuesday meeting* true. * He said he wasn't
>> going anywhere* true *and claimed that I was being rude*. true
>>
>> hmmn (storms off mumbering to himself and slamming ever step down the
>> stairs)
>>
>> N0_Hat, Sid, & Qbit, left puzzled and shocked
>>
>> Qbit:"oh my god what is with that guy. He usually just works in the
>> library which was completely empty why out of all days did he pick today to
>> sit here and then on top of that act that crazy?"
>>
>> N0_Hat: "dude im not going to fuck up my morning trying to figure that
>> guy out, he is loosing it, i just want to get back to work, lets put some
>> music on to restore the vibe in here."
>>
>> Sid: (Laughing) WOWWW just when you think you get this place, shit like
>> this happens"
>>
>> -----People who were witnesses that can confirm this to be a true
>> account, two:
>> Qbit and Sid who were with me working the entire night and were in the
>> hacker-torium when incident occurred
>>
>> ----People who can confirm Greg's account of what happened, *zero*
>>
>> further more on the Feb  19 post to his discussion tab claims, and i
>> quote, " when I spoke to Josh we got to the mutual * asked to leave*status" [False] Gregorydillion was never asked to leave by anyone he
>> stormed off.
>>
>> Gregorydillon, please try to communicate with me and tell me, Sid, and
>> Qbit why you behaved the way you did and why you felt the need to leave out
>> so many details and facts that actually occurred, I am up for ban my Tom
>> for not leaving and through i appreciate you expressing yourself the
>> community , this time i feel that i cannot ignore the actions you took
>> because they have great effect on me in the Noisebridge community.
>>
>>
>> Also, User:HelloHowardYou sent me a private email on Feb 19th (which i
>> can provide as evidence) saying that he mediated this incident with you,
>> this is a direct quote.
>> "This morning I have spoken with Greg about what happened this morning,
>> and *he recognized that he handles the situation with previous judgments
>> as he should have communicated more- in that when entering the space and
>> seeing people having turned the lights off he should have asked first
>> instead of imposing his actions onto everyone around. He also recognized
>> that his actions are antagonizing toward you, but rooting in the lack of
>> understanding and communication*. A standard protocol in dealing with
>> disagreements is when asked, both parties leave the space until it can be
>> either mediated through conversation or to ask the community at large to
>> assist in coming in terms of an agreement/solution. As unfair as the
>> situation was, I believe the best procedure is to reach out to Greg and
>> come to a terms of solution. As of this morning, he has agreed to not come
>> back to the space until next Tuesday if you are willing to do the same (no
>> i was not willing but he decided to stay away from the space anyway) (no
>> more morning check-ups(authoritarian domineering pacing up and down the
>> space with his camera phone out in anticipation to take a picture
>> selectively amoung the people in the space of anyone who is napping or
>> dosed off and then getting on his wiki survalence blog to write about it ).
>> Instead of resorting to two people being absent from the space, an open
>> line of communication may help assist with arriving at a win/win situation. (i
>> was never once been contacted my Gregory)"
>>
>> Randomly running into User Flamsmark at Noisebridge and asking to speak
>> with him regarding ban proposals i had put forth and my pseudonym not being
>> used even after notifying Gregorydillon multiple times and asking 3
>> different Council Members to tell him as well when he did not comply due to
>> security risk it causes me. Eight minutes into the conversation which
>> happened when the meeting was done. Conversation went something like this:
>>
>> User:Flamsmark: "N0_Hat is it true that you did not leave when
>> User:GregoryDillon asked you to leave?"
>> N0_Hat: "Yes, but he did it for no reason."
>> User:Flamsmark " N0_Hat i am asking you to leae Noisebridge right now"
>> N0_Hat: "But why? i havent done anything wrong"
>> User: Flamsmark "Doesn't matter please leave Noisebridge immediately."
>> N0_Hat: "I need a bit of time"
>> User: Flamsmark "You have 10 munutes"
>> N0_Hat: (starts packing belongings into research project handhelf
>> briefcase and laptop into a second case used to carry netbook and external
>> hardrives. Sid leaves Noisebridge with me and carried my laptop briefcase)
>> (witness of this even taking place: Qbit and Sid)
>>
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