[Noisebridge-discuss] "Banning" discussion tonight

Ronald Cotoni setient at gmail.com
Wed Feb 26 02:26:30 UTC 2014


Can you help lee with getting a consensus item on the docket or perhaps
mediation?
On Feb 25, 2014 6:23 PM, "Naomi Gmail" <pnaomi at gmail.com> wrote:

> I could have blocked as well, but thought MCT had it covered.
>
> Honestly I just didn't think the proposal would go through. I see it as a
> failure of community and an abuse of bureaucracy that it did go through. So
> I am coming tonight to learn more.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Feb 25, 2014, at 6:18 PM, Lee Sonko <lee at lee.org> wrote:
>
> MCT agreed to proxy-block for me several weeks ago. He was at the meeting
> 2 weeks ago when the matter was expected to be discussed, however it wasn't
> brought up. Last week MCT wasn't at the meeting so I had no representation.
>
> I work Tuesday evenings so am generally unable to attend meetings but I
> found a substitute tonight.
>
> I hope we can all discuss this matter together.
>
> Lee
> On Feb 25, 2014 6:07 PM, "Ronald Cotoni" <setient at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Lee was aware and Lee chose for a long time to not come to meetings or
>> get someone else to proxy block.  I suggest you get a deeper understanding
>> of how consensus works and why it is the way it is.   It was to give him
>> time, which he ignored sadly and has to deal with the consequences now.
>> On Feb 25, 2014 6:00 PM, "Charles Tang" <cjtang1 at asu.edu> wrote:
>>
>>> The second person who answers by come to a meeting.
>>>
>>> These answers are fluid, which is the reason why Johnny asked for
>>> clarification on GitHub.
>>>
>>> We need a better understanding and conceptualizer for banning.
>>>
>>> I made my case with Lee. It seems to me he was just being annoying to
>>> Tom. Now, others do annoying things to me all the time, but I don't exclude.
>>>
>>> The problem here is a failure to communicate, to ask, to "participate",
>>> to educate and to help.
>>>
>>> Indeed, the community is fractured. Indeed, people can be annoying
>>> Indeed, people can do bad things.
>>>
>>> But, goodness is fragile. Moreover, exclusion is not the answer for our
>>> problems. Inquisitions to rid ourselves of alternatives forecloses
>>> opportunity for us all.
>>>
>>> And movements fail. . . .
>>> --
>>> Sent from Mailbox <https://www.dropbox.com/mailbox> for iPhone
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 5:53 PM, Ronald Cotoni <setient at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>> Come to a meeting.  Read the bylaws and look at the wiki.  These
>>>> questions can be answered by those things
>>>> On Feb 25, 2014 5:47 PM, "Charles Tang" <cjtang1 at asu.edu> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Is active member defined be the label "member" or is it define by
>>>>> those who are "active."
>>>>>
>>>>> Or is there really a mythical "active member"
>>>>> --
>>>>> Sent from Mailbox <https://www.dropbox.com/mailbox> for iPhone
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 5:45 PM, Adrian Chadd <adrian.chadd at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 25 February 2014 17:42, Darius Garza <313kid at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> > "A ban from the Noisebridge space may be a useful social punishment
>>>>>> for a
>>>>>> > social crime"
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Noisebridge is a lot of things, but it certainly isn't up to anyone
>>>>>> to use
>>>>>> > it as a "social punishment" tool.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ... noisebridge is apparently whatever the active membership decide
>>>>>> it
>>>>>> is. I thought that was the point.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -a
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