[Noisebridge-discuss] 2 sleepers this morning

[Al Sweigart]

I don't think the problem is getting more people to support a sleeping ban,
but that a minority of members would block it because they like sleeping
overnight at the space.


On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 9:23 AM, Romy Ilano <romy at snowyla.com> wrote:

> I'll come to the next meeting if the elevator is working (temporarily
> disabled)
>
> Maybe if more people came supporting the sleeping ban it would help
>
> ----
>
> Snowyla.com
> Romyilano.com
>
> On Feb 16, 2014, at 5:33 PM, Curtis Gagliardi <gagliardi.curtis at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> I realized the sleepers were a problem, but it wasnt' until the last
> meeting I went to where people weren't willing to consider banning sleepers
> or sleeping that I realized people thought it was ok.  It was pretty
> depressing.
>
>
> On Sun, Feb 16, 2014 at 5:12 PM, Romy Ilano <romy at snowyla.com> wrote:
>
>> Wow, people are still arguing about whether sleepers are OK or not?
>>
>> I thought it was pretty clear that sleepers aren't allowed. I'm confused!
>>
>> Since consensus cannot block the fact that Noisebridge must pay rent,
>> maybe I'll help get that Noisebridge fundraising party event started as
>> soon as possible.
>>
>>
>>
>> =============================
>>
>> Romy Ilano
>> romy at snowyla.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Feb 16, 2014 at 3:29 PM, Al Sweigart <asweigart at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Much as Noisebridgers don't want to air our dirty laundry, people
>>> sleeping and/or squatting at Noisebridge has been a constant problem for
>>> the last several years. Because consensus makes it impossible for us to
>>> establish sleeping as forbidden, okay, or okay under some circumstances
>>> (there will always be one person to block the proposal either way), there
>>> hasn't been any effective resolution.
>>>
>>> The usual cycle is: some people start crashing at Noisebridge, more
>>> people start crashing at Noisebridge, people start living at Noisebridge,
>>> it becomes a problem too large to ignore and people crack down and tell
>>> people to stop squatting at Noisebridge, then some people start crashing at
>>> Noisebridge.
>>>
>>> It's pretty much always the same few people using Noisebridge as their
>>> bedroom, so don't think that everyone is treating the space as a commune.
>>>
>>> -Al
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Feb 16, 2014 at 11:11 AM, Justin Hasuike <jwcalmus at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>> To be honest, I was interested in the hackerspace and subscribed
>>>> accordingly to see what's going on before stopping by to check it out.
>>>> Thanks for clarifying Romy, seemed a little awkward :)
>>>>
>>>> -Justin
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Feb 16, 2014 at 7:55 AM, Romy Ilano <romy at snowyla.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I hope people reading the list don't think the people at noise bridge
>>>>> argue over semantics like this 100% of the time .
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> When we aren't fleeing tech talks we actually hack.. This discussion
>>>>> is maybe 1% of the real activity that goes on
>>>>> ----
>>>>>
>>>>> Snowyla.com
>>>>>  Romyilano.com
>>>>>
>>>>> On Feb 15, 2014, at 10:35 PM, Hannah Grimm <dharlette at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> "It" refers to objects, not people, so pretending you have some
>>>>> grammatical high-ground here is ludicrous.
>>>>>
>>>>> Not to mention, we use "they" singularly all the time in our language,
>>>>> and have since Shakespeare.  Since before Shakespeare.  Since
>>>>> *Chaucer.*
>>>>>
>>>>> Imagine that sentence without the dehumanizing "it": "Male or female
>>>>> THEY should be gone."  Hardly going to destroy the English language.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, Feb 15, 2014 at 10:16 PM, Al Sweigart <asweigart at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> No-hat aka Josh was out of town over the holidays, but before then
>>>>>> Ive found him sleeping overnight at Noisebridge. He's been doing this a
>>>>>> while.
>>>>>>  On Feb 15, 2014 9:43 PM, "Hannah Grimm" <dharlette at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Can you NOT refer to people of unknown gender as "it?"  We already
>>>>>>> have a word for that which doesn't dehumanize people by comparing them to
>>>>>>> objects.  It's "they."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sat, Feb 15, 2014 at 9:10 PM, Norman Bradley <
>>>>>>> pryankster at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  N0_Hat is also spamming the wiki and should be GONE. Male or
>>>>>>>> female IT should be gone.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You are entitled to your own opinion.
>>>>>>>> You are NOT entitled to your own facts.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Norman
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 2/15/2014 7:57 PM, Paul Monad wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  One in turing named sid.  Other was __Hat. Both claimed they were
>>>>>>>> just napping.
>>>>>>>>  Nick was here but not sleeping.
>>>>>>>>
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