[Noisebridge-discuss] "Banning" discussion tonight
Jeffrey Carl Faden
jeffreyatw at gmail.com
Wed Feb 26 00:34:52 UTC 2014
Hi Charles,
You can read our anti-harassment policy, which includes our definition of harassment, here:
https://github.com/noisebridge/anti-harassment
Cheers!
Jeffrey
On Feb 25, 2014, at 4:33 PM, Charles Tang <cjtang1 at asu.edu> wrote:
> Retributive
> Utilitarian
> Restorative
>
> All I see here is semi-retributive desire, cow moos too much, cow should go to the ban-hammer factory.
>
> How are we defining harassment for those who just have a difference in opinion.
>
> Cow moos to much and it's harassment, cow should be silenced and go to the ban-hammer factory.
>
> No theory can explain cow. Cow is just different than the rest of the cows because cow moos too much.
>
> Cowrights are diminished, cow is not allow to the field with the rest of the cows. Send any other cow to the ban-hammer factory, as cows become less. Any moo is problematic. Consequently, all cows eventually go to the ban-hammer-factory.
>
> It's a slippery ice cream scoop and were all about to fall off the cone.
>
> I should hope that, I, another cow, doesn't anger vegans for my product. For then, I moo too much too. I may be the next cow on the list.
>
> I'd be really sad.
> —
> Sent from Mailbox for iPhone
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 4:24 PM, Naomi Most <pnaomi at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I would like for Lee to be at the meeting as well.
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 4:20 PM, Al Sweigart <asweigart at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Mitch, Lee Sonko knew about the banning proposal. I had personally been in
> > discussion with him about it. I was surprised that he didn't show up to the
> > meeting.
> >
> > And this is why Noisebridge isn't a safe space: after months of on-and-off
> > harassment, Tom brings up this consensus proposal, it's on the docket for
> > weeks, and actually manages to pass consensus. Yet after all these hurdles
> > were overcome, Lee can defy his ban and come back into the space and debate
> > his banning.
> >
> > Because Mitch says so. Even though he's a member and could have blocked for
> > more discussion.
> >
> > We treat abusive people with kid gloves, and even when we manage to get
> > something passed consensus and say, "Yes, this person should be banned",
> > Mitch still wants to have a do-over.
> >
> > Mitch, do you respect consensus? Or only when it agrees with you?
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 2:40 PM, Praveen Sinha <dmhomee at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> I love you Naomi!!!! Community meeting is a GREAT idea :) I don't know
> >> if I can be there tonight, but I'll try my best.
> >>
> >>
> >> On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 2:37 PM, Naomi Most <pnaomi at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I will be there. I also feel this is an extremely important
> >>> discussion, and goes much deeper than simply the use of a ban.
> >>>
> >>> I have a solution in mind to avoid these situations, something I
> >>> brought up a few meetings ago: a "community" meeting.
> >>>
> >>> Misunderstandings shouldn't be allowed to scale to the level of
> >>> "drama". In our current "system", we only have two modes: the general
> >>> meeting and noisebridge-discuss. The former is simply an
> >>> inappropriate venue for addressing interpersonal issues, and the
> >>> latter... well.
> >>>
> >>> Now that I see to what ridiculous level the Noisebridge version of
> >>> justice can be taken in response to interpersonal issues that should
> >>> never have escalated, it's time we consider strongly the idea of
> >>> having a Community meeting in addition to the NB general meeting.
> >>>
> >>> --Naomi
> >>>
> >>> On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 2:08 PM, Mitch Altman <maltman23 at hotmail.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>> > Unfortunately I won't be able to be at tonight's meeting. But I want
> >>> > to
> >>> > encourage discussion of "Banning".
> >>> >
> >>> > It is important to get rid of people who melt use, rather contribute to
> >>> > the
> >>> > culture of Noisebridge and is mission and vision. It is also important
> >>> > to
> >>> > ban people who are disruptive, make many people uncomfortable, or are
> >>> > violent or hateful.
> >>> >
> >>> > It is also important to not use banning as a means of getting rid of
> >>> > someone
> >>> > because you don't like them, or because you have a misunderstanding or
> >>> > argument.
> >>> >
> >>> > Banning is a drastic measure, and (unless for violent or hateful or
> >>> > illegal
> >>> > behavior) should only be done when other means have been exhausted.
> >>> >
> >>> > These concepts need to be discussed and explored.
> >>> >
> >>> > A specific case came to my attention recently. Lee Sony was apparently
> >>> > banned without him being allowed to present his position. He will be
> >>> > at
> >>> > tonight's meeting. I hope people will listen and respond. I feel this
> >>> > is
> >>> > important.
> >>> >
> >>> > Best,
> >>> > Mitch.
> >>> >
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> >>> >
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> >>>
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