[Noisebridge-discuss] N0_Hat's reaction to User:Gergorydillon perception of events leading to Ban Request my User:Flamsmark

Charles Tang cjtang1 at asu.edu
Wed Feb 26 02:05:25 UTC 2014


Josh,


Reply with rainbow text too.
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On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 5:59 PM, Gregory Dillon <gregorydillon at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Josh, enough of your bullshit lies. you weren't building any machines/
> Enough.  You were caught be me sleeping at Noisebridge 4 times in about a
> month.  You were also caught sleeping by Al, Monad, and Robin.   All four
> of us are serious adults.
> Now you are just  throwing a lot of shit in the air.  Figuratively that
> leaves a mess that someone has to clean up.   Living at Noisebridge
> violates the lease, and state and city housing laws, and city health
> regulations.   You are risking Noisebridge.  Deal with it.
> On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 5:13 PM, Jeffrey Carl Faden <jeffreyatw at gmail.com>wrote:
>> Sure. Why do you feel comfortable putting Noisebridge's lease in danger by
>> sleeping there?
>>
>> Jeffrey
>>
>> On Feb 25, 2014, at 5:10 PM, hush.hat at hushmail.com wrote:
>>
>> Yes i do not code yet, still a script kiddie,  my background is more
>> hardware than software, we were building 8 4gb ram dell's from all the
>> computer pile and filtering the e-junk, the coding was done by sid who was
>> teaching how to do commands on the new OS that was being installed. He will
>> be at the meeting and can answer all your questions and Qbit can verify the
>> activity if anyone wishes to confirm these claims. I hope this helps, feel
>> free to ank me any more questions
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent using Hushmail
>>
>>
>>
>> On 02/26/2014 at 12:46 AM, "Jeffrey Carl Faden" <jeffreyatw at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Do Qbit or Sid code? Is N0_Hat more of an ideas guy, or was he lying?
>>
>> Jeffrey
>>
>> On Feb 25, 2014, at 4:44 PM, Charles Tang <cjtang1 at asu.edu> wrote:
>>
>> Nohat doesn't code
>> --
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>>
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 4:42 PM, Jeffrey Carl Faden <jeffreyatw at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> What I don't understand is someone who is up coding all night claims
>>> they're not computer-savvy enough to format their email correctly.
>>>
>>> Jeffrey
>>>
>>> On Feb 25, 2014, at 4:39 PM, Gregory Dillon <gregorydillon at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>  That false attack was written by someone trying to shift  attention
>>> from living at 2169.  It happened the way I said  and not the way the third
>>> party to a hush mail account wrote .  I don't think I am supposed to
>>> respond right now to a rainbow of absolute falsehoods
>>>
>>> I would like some sense of the community to know if people think it is
>>> okay for me to note who is sleeping at 2169.   If most of the people think
>>> that taking notes of who lives at NB and leaves the mess of food is a
>>> privacy violation inconsistent with the Noisebridge vision -  then
>>> Noisebridge isn't the place for me.
>>>
>>> The conflict resolution process is important and valuable.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 4:33 PM, Naomi Most <pnaomi at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Whoops, thought you had responded to the Mitch thread.
>>>>
>>>> Regardless, the same is true here.
>>>>
>>>> I'll explain myself at the meeting.  If you don't come, I'll take that
>>>> as a refusal to be reasonable.  :)
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 4:30 PM, Naomi Most <pnaomi at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> > I mean that I am taking one of my few precious free evenings in this
>>>> > life to come to Noisebridge and understand what the fuck went wrong
>>>> > here, and I expect that Lee Sonko should be there.
>>>> >
>>>> > I know you guys (Tom and Al) are doing a great job at the roles you've
>>>> > set out for yourselves.  You should keep doing them.  We need to
>>>> > discuss how people can avoid invoking the powers you've assumed.  That
>>>> > includes yourselves.
>>>> >
>>>> > --Naomi
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 4:25 PM, Al Sweigart <asweigart at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> >> Naomi, what do you mean by that?
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 4:11 PM, Naomi Gmail <pnaomi at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> "up for ban by Tom"
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> The single most indicative phrase in the whole account.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> On Feb 25, 2014, at 4:01 PM, Howard Tsu <howard.tsu at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Supplementation: lack of communication and understanding on behalf
>>>> of both
>>>> >>> parties.
>>>> >>> Recent engagements have only been "you are sleeping" & "no I am not."
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 3:23 PM, Jeffrey Carl Faden <
>>>> jeffreyatw at gmail.com>
>>>> >>> wrote:
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> Dude, are you plastering CGI boobs all over the Noisebridge wiki?
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> Jeffrey
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> On Feb 25, 2014, at 3:19 PM, hush.hat at hushmail.com wrote:
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> I was surprised to be notified about User:Gregorydillon account of
>>>> the
>>>> >>>> events that occurred in the morning he asked me to leave. At the
>>>> bottom of
>>>> >>>> his lengthy discussion section is this section which i will edit to
>>>> fit my
>>>> >>>> account as well as the account witnessed by Qbit and Sid who were
>>>> in the
>>>> >>>> space with me at the time in the Hacker-torium:
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> Asked Josh to leave this morning and not return until the Tuesday
>>>> meeting
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> I asked Josh to leave this morning and not return until the Tuesday
>>>> >>>> meeting. (true)
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> I arrived about 6:30, (false 5:30) and put on the lights (turned on
>>>> all
>>>> >>>> the lights in the Hackertorium where 3 people were working in the
>>>> dark on
>>>> >>>> their computers with only light LED lights on). He became incensed
>>>> (false)
>>>> >>>> asked politley, "hay Greg can you turn the one by the electronic
>>>> equiptment
>>>> >>>> shelf off its kind of too bright for our eyes [all three peopl in
>>>> agreement,
>>>> >>>> 2 actually saying if he could turn all of them back off it was too
>>>> bright.
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> Gregorydillions responce: "I JUST GOT HERE!!!" screaming with rage
>>>> while
>>>> >>>> standing
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> N0_Hat: "Um, i understand that but that is not what i mean Greg,
>>>> its just
>>>> >>>> the light is hurting out eyes and we have been coding all night on
>>>> a project
>>>> >>>> can you just turn off one of the 4 swiches, the one for the
>>>> electronics
>>>> >>>> shelf area off its putting strain on our eyes (he chose to sit at
>>>> the center
>>>> >>>> to the table on the elevator side of the table)."
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> Gregorydilions responce: "I JUST GOT HERE!!!"
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> N0_Hat: "Dude that has nothing to do with what i am askaing, i am
>>>> just
>>>> >>>> asking if you can turn off one of the swiches because its its too
>>>> early in
>>>> >>>> the morning and its straining our eyes."
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> Gregorydillion: "I JUST GOT HERE!!!!!!"
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> N0_Hat: "Dude what are you talking about? i just asking you to turn
>>>> off
>>>> >>>> one of the lights what does your statement have to do with that?"
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> Gregorydillion: "I JUST GOT HERE!!!! NOOO!! (storms off to make some
>>>> >>>> coffee)
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> leaving me, Sid, & Qbit wondering what would make him act in such an
>>>> >>>> extreme manner.
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> that I turned on the lights. A
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> I walked away from him and began making a cup of coffee. He turned
>>>> light
>>>> >>>> off false
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> When I came back there were 4 tea cups, with tea bag in most,
>>>> glasses (
>>>> >>>> one ), plates ( one ) and uneaten food on the common table ( just
>>>> my bag of
>>>> >>>> nachos which were right next to my laptop that was on next to all
>>>> my stuff )
>>>> >>>> true: leftover from lastnight, none of which belonged to N0_Hat or
>>>> Qbit or
>>>> >>>> Sid. I asked who's? True and got no response.True, no reply was
>>>> given
>>>> >>>> because 1st it was not our's, 2nd because all three of us were
>>>> being spoken
>>>> >>>> to in a Authoritarian, Overly-Agressive Tone I began cleaning it
>>>> up, and
>>>> >>>> Josh went all argumentative again not to touch his food instead of
>>>> taking
>>>> >>>> the cups and dishes he grabbed an extra large bad of nachos which
>>>> belonged
>>>> >>>> to me and were half full seated directly infront of my jacket
>>>> covered chair
>>>> >>>> on the table which had my laptop and water bottle, what i said was,
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> N0_Hat:"hay can you please not touch my food without my permission
>>>> like
>>>> >>>> that."
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> Gregorydillion: "Well i asked who's food this was (false)"
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> N0_Hat: "no you didnt and i have already asked you about the light
>>>> but
>>>> >>>> you wont bother to turn off even one out of the four that i asked
>>>> for, so
>>>> >>>> since this is a do-ocracy, i guess i will do it myself.
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> Gregorydillon: NO YOU WON'T!!! in Agressively yelling
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> N0_Hat: Yes, i wll and their is no obligation for anyone to take
>>>> orders
>>>> >>>> from you at Noisebridge, this is a do-ocracy and you have no
>>>> Authoritative
>>>> >>>> power over me or anyone else in this space. (take my food which he
>>>> is still
>>>> >>>> holding and go to put it back where it was next to my laptop) On
>>>> the way
>>>> >>>> back to the project i am working on my the audio equiptment i say,
>>>> "Gregory
>>>> >>>> please don't touch my stuff again like that without my permission i
>>>> consider
>>>> >>>> is extremely rude"
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> I said he needs to acknowledge and clean. true Became more
>>>> argumentative.
>>>> >>>> false "Greg i get that you want to clean but please don't go around
>>>> just
>>>> >>>> peoples things from the table like that its extreamly rude and
>>>> >>>> inconsiderate"
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> I asked him to leave true
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> Gregorydillion:"N0_HAT you know what, I want you out of here now!")
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> N0_Hat: What? what did I do???? why are you asking me to leave
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> Gregorydillon: "N0_HAT I SAID I WANT YOU OUT OF HERE NOW!!!"
>>>> screaming at
>>>> >>>> the top of his lungs.
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> N0_Hat: Dude what are you talking about, i havent done anything"
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> QBit: Dude you can't just ask N0_Hat to leave like that he hasent
>>>> done
>>>> >>>> anything to you!
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>  Sid: Greg you need to calm down you are over reacting, N0_Hat
>>>> hasent
>>>> >>>> done anything to deserve being asked to leave.
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> Gregorydillon: N0_HAT I WANT YOU OUT NOW!!!
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> N0_Hat: "do you guys think i have done something wrong that i
>>>> should be
>>>> >>>> asked to leave?"
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> Qbit: No just ignore him he is loosing it
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> Sid: No you don't have to leave
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> N0_Hat: dude majority vote by two members, i am sorry but i am not
>>>> going
>>>> >>>> anywhere, i have two witnesses here that know i havent done
>>>> anything that
>>>> >>>> deserves me being asked to leave
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> and not return until the Tuesday meeting true. He said he wasn't
>>>> going
>>>> >>>> anywhere true and claimed that I was being rude. true
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> hmmn (storms off mumbering to himself and slamming ever step down
>>>> the
>>>> >>>> stairs)
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> N0_Hat, Sid, & Qbit, left puzzled and shocked
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> Qbit:"oh my god what is with that guy. He usually just works in the
>>>> >>>> library which was completely empty why out of all days did he pick
>>>> today to
>>>> >>>> sit here and then on top of that act that crazy?"
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> N0_Hat: "dude im not going to fuck up my morning trying to figure
>>>> that
>>>> >>>> guy out, he is loosing it, i just want to get back to work, lets
>>>> put some
>>>> >>>> music on to restore the vibe in here."
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> Sid: (Laughing) WOWWW just when you think you get this place, shit
>>>> like
>>>> >>>> this happens"
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> -----People who were witnesses that can confirm this to be a true
>>>> >>>> account, two:
>>>> >>>> Qbit and Sid who were with me working the entire night and were in
>>>> the
>>>> >>>> hacker-torium when incident occurred
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> ----People who can confirm Greg's account of what happened, zero
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> further more on the Feb  19 post to his discussion tab claims, and i
>>>> >>>> quote, " when I spoke to Josh we got to the mutual asked to leave
>>>> status"
>>>> >>>> [False] Gregorydillion was never asked to leave by anyone he
>>>> stormed off.
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> Gregorydillon, please try to communicate with me and tell me, Sid,
>>>> and
>>>> >>>> Qbit why you behaved the way you did and why you felt the need to
>>>> leave out
>>>> >>>> so many details and facts that actually occurred, I am up for ban
>>>> my Tom for
>>>> >>>> not leaving and through i appreciate you expressing yourself the
>>>> community ,
>>>> >>>> this time i feel that i cannot ignore the actions you took because
>>>> they have
>>>> >>>> great effect on me in the Noisebridge community.
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> Also, User:HelloHowardYou sent me a private email on Feb 19th
>>>> (which i
>>>> >>>> can provide as evidence) saying that he mediated this incident with
>>>> you,
>>>> >>>> this is a direct quote.
>>>> >>>> "This morning I have spoken with Greg about what happened this
>>>> morning,
>>>> >>>> and he recognized that he handles the situation with previous
>>>> judgments as
>>>> >>>> he should have communicated more- in that when entering the space
>>>> and seeing
>>>> >>>> people having turned the lights off he should have asked first
>>>> instead of
>>>> >>>> imposing his actions onto everyone around. He also recognized that
>>>> his
>>>> >>>> actions are antagonizing toward you, but rooting in the lack of
>>>> >>>> understanding and communication. A standard protocol in dealing with
>>>> >>>> disagreements is when asked, both parties leave the space until it
>>>> can be
>>>> >>>> either mediated through conversation or to ask the community at
>>>> large to
>>>> >>>> assist in coming in terms of an agreement/solution. As unfair as the
>>>> >>>> situation was, I believe the best procedure is to reach out to Greg
>>>> and come
>>>> >>>> to a terms of solution. As of this morning, he has agreed to not
>>>> come back
>>>> >>>> to the space until next Tuesday if you are willing to do the same
>>>> (no i was
>>>> >>>> not willing but he decided to stay away from the space anyway) (no
>>>> more
>>>> >>>> morning check-ups(authoritarian domineering pacing up and down the
>>>> space
>>>> >>>> with his camera phone out in anticipation to take a picture
>>>> selectively
>>>> >>>> amoung the people in the space of anyone who is napping or dosed
>>>> off and
>>>> >>>> then getting on his wiki survalence blog to write about it ).
>>>> Instead of
>>>> >>>> resorting to two people being absent from the space, an open line of
>>>> >>>> communication may help assist with arriving at a win/win situation.
>>>> (i was
>>>> >>>> never once been contacted my Gregory)"
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> Randomly running into User Flamsmark at Noisebridge and asking to
>>>> speak
>>>> >>>> with him regarding ban proposals i had put forth and my pseudonym
>>>> not being
>>>> >>>> used even after notifying Gregorydillon multiple times and asking 3
>>>> >>>> different Council Members to tell him as well when he did not
>>>> comply due to
>>>> >>>> security risk it causes me. Eight minutes into the conversation
>>>> which
>>>> >>>> happened when the meeting was done. Conversation went something
>>>> like this:
>>>> >>>> User:Flamsmark: "N0_Hat is it true that you did not leave when
>>>> >>>> User:GregoryDillon asked you to leave?"
>>>> >>>> N0_Hat: "Yes, but he did it for no reason."
>>>> >>>> User:Flamsmark " N0_Hat i am asking you to leae Noisebridge right
>>>> now"
>>>> >>>> N0_Hat: "But why? i havent done anything wrong"
>>>> >>>> User: Flamsmark "Doesn't matter please leave Noisebridge
>>>> immediately."
>>>> >>>> N0_Hat: "I need a bit of time"
>>>> >>>> User: Flamsmark "You have 10 munutes"
>>>> >>>> N0_Hat: (starts packing belongings into research project handhelf
>>>> >>>> briefcase and laptop into a second case used to carry netbook and
>>>> external
>>>> >>>> hardrives. Sid leaves Noisebridge with me and carried my laptop
>>>> briefcase)
>>>> >>>> (witness of this even taking place: Qbit and Sid)
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>
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>>>> >
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