[Noisebridge-discuss] Sleeping

Tue Jan 28 01:33:04 UTC 2014

Jeffrey, For fun and profit, go there at 3 am tonight and see if anyone
greets you when you walk in.  Do this for a week and I bet you will be
surprised.   I went there a few months ago at midnight (not really even
that late) and there was no one greeting and no members or associate
members.  There really wasn't anyone "hacking" either.   I did find one guy
asleep though.   I woke him up and he went back to hacking on things, which
was refreshing.   I stuck around for about 30 minutes.

I think we should try Al's wording.  That makes sense.   Gregory's wording
is also good and we should perhaps merge the two.

On Mon, Jan 27, 2014 at 5:20 PM, Danny O'Brien <danny at spesh.com> wrote:

> Could we try it? Even if it didn't get through in that form, it would
> probably lead to some constructive discussion.
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 27, 2014 at 4:45 PM, Al Sweigart <asweigart at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Only once have I found a person who sleep at Noisebridge who didn't deny
> > that they were sleeping. The rest are perfectly comfortable telling you
> that
> > black is white. If you say sleeping is unexcellent but napping is okay,
> > suddenly everyone will be "napping".
> >
> > I think a "people found sleeping between 10pm and 10am during the week
> will
> > be woken up and asked to leave the space the first time and banned the
> > second time" rule would pretty much solve 90% of the problem. Maybe make
> the
> > second time have to be within 30 days of the first?
> >
> > Though I don't think even this compromise would pass consensus: the
> minority
> > of people okay with people sleeping overnight or living in the space
> would
> > block it.
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Jan 27, 2014 at 2:24 PM, Ronald Cotoni <setient at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> I sometimes feel that sleeping vs resting eyes vs napping is akin to
> what
> >> color should we paint the bike shed?  It just is easier to say the bike
> >> sheds we make are always going to be X color.  Thats it.  The
> differences
> >> between resting your eyes, napping and sleeping are almost irrelevant.
>  It
> >> just leads to more discussion and wasted time when we could just deal
> with
> >> it one way or another and call the issue "CLOSED FIXED".
> >>
> >>
> >> On Mon, Jan 27, 2014 at 12:20 PM, John Ellis <neurofog at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Al,
> >>>
> >>> i'll start making morning appearances more often and see whos there and
> >>> what they are working on in the space.
> >>>
> >>> My concern was turning the "no overnight sleeping" policy into a witch
> >>> hunt for napping or "closing ones eyes" when some people really do
> hack all
> >>> night.
> >>>
> >>> John
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Mon, Jan 27, 2014 at 11:23 AM, Al Sweigart <asweigart at gmail.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> While it is fun to imagine technical solutions, it basically comes
> down
> >>>> to having people wake others up and making Noisebridge a place where
> people
> >>>> don't sleep overnight at.
> >>>>
> >>>> Unfortunately, the sleepers both a) repeatedly sleep overnight even
> >>>> though they know the community overwhelmingly is against it but b)
> there's a
> >>>> minority of members who will block banning these sleepers from the
> space.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On Mon, Jan 27, 2014 at 10:46 AM, Alfred Perlstein <bright at mu.org>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> epic!
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On 1/27/14, 10:06 AM, Oren Beck wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Wake up by Quadcopter and follow spot+PA.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> YOU_YES..YOU!!! WAKE UP AND LEAVE BEFORE FORMAL TRESPASS CHARGES ARE
> >>>>> FILED!
> >>>>>
> >>>>> If they damage the 'bot- slam dunk case for vandalism on top of
> >>>>> trespass seems logical.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Oren Beck
> >>>>>
> >>>>> 816.632.3695
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Tue, Jan 28, 2014 at 2:01 AM, Alfred Perlstein <bright at mu.org>
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On 1/27/14 9:39 AM, Norman Bradley wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I can't do this because of my transportation situation. If there is
> >>>>>> somebody that is usually up and about in the early morning say 2-4
> am that
> >>>>>> would be the time to kick out sleepers. The only way we are going
> to solve
> >>>>>> the problem is to make it consistently uncomfortable to sleep there.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Strobe light?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Boxing timer?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> -Alfred
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
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> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Ronald Cotoni
> >> Systems Engineer
> >
> >
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