[Noisebridge-discuss] why would hackers come to noisebridge?

Ronald Cotoni setient at gmail.com
Thu Mar 13 18:49:49 UTC 2014


Sorry about that.  I definitely didn't meant to do that.  I should have
said some people feel more comfortable there.  Thank you for correcting me
:)


On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 11:44 AM, Hannah Grimm <dharlette at gmail.com> wrote:

> As someone who reads and votes on Double Union membership applications, I
> can tell you right now that the single most common phrase we see on them is
> "I went to Noisebridge...once."
>
> Almost all of these women tried Noisebridge first, and didn't feel welcome
> here.  And there are a LOT of them.  They came out of the woodwork so fast
> that we had to shut down applications after just a few months.  Double
> Union can't take them all in, our space is just too small.  So, if you
> think we need more members, there's a giant untapped market of really
> passionate, active people who want this.  Make Noisebridge more welcoming
> to women and you'll fill rosters fast.
>
> Oh, and by the way: referring to us as "females" is generally one of those
> signals that tend to make women go "NOPE!"  It's also not, strictly
> speaking, accurate; DU has a lot of trans women who feel pretty alienated
> by that term.
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 11:24 AM, Al Sweigart <asweigart at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> The way I see it, there's plenty of hackerspaces in the bay area that men
>> are welcome to, and UU itself has open house nights open to men. And from
>> the fact that they had to stop accepting new members for now because they
>> were flooded with new people, there's plenty of demand for a women-only
>> hackerspace.
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 11:18 AM, Ronald Cotoni <setient at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> I am not. It is cool and 100% necessary due to other circumstances I
>>> stated above.  Its a place female identifying people can go and not feel
>>> threatened and just work on cool stuff.  It is great!
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 11:07 AM, Jessica Ross <jessica.r.ross at gmail.com
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> Feminist doesn't imply "only other females", just that it respects
>>>> women.
>>>>
>>>> Hm, after going to the website, the mission statement strongly implies
>>>> women-only. I'm almost offended about that.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 12:53 PM, Ronald Cotoni <setient at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I am with what hep said.  I am also with Naomi.  This is a
>>>>> hackerspace.  Lets hack the system and figure out how to solve problems.  I
>>>>> am also with Al that I feel sad that UU had to even exist because
>>>>> noisebridge was not safe enough or good enough.  I also understand that
>>>>> some people just like working with other females and don't even want to
>>>>> bother at this stage of their lives.  I just feel it was mostly a response
>>>>> to Noisebridge not being safe and not the latter.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 10:49 AM, Naomi Most <pnaomi at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I am openly biased towards anarchism and lack of top-down control.
>>>>>> But we can't keep shouting down the idea of "oversight" to address
>>>>>> problems that Noisebridge has had for YEEAAARRRSSS when we've
>>>>>> certainly given the Noisebridge traditional methods that long to fix
>>>>>> things.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> For the record, I don't agree with the idea of direct
>>>>>> people-management or in changing the way we arrive at decisions at
>>>>>> Noisebridge.  My idea of a positive change would be to have the board
>>>>>> managing facilities and facilitating participation -- e.g. forming
>>>>>> working groups.  I believe these improvements will make a lot of the
>>>>>> other crap die down naturally.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And as it turns out, that's what we're going to do first.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 10:46 AM, hep <dis at gruntle.org> wrote:
>>>>>> > And that would be different from what noisebridge has had in the
>>>>>> last 5yr
>>>>>> > how? as it stands, many women do not feel safe at noisebridge
>>>>>> because of
>>>>>> > sexual assault and the past somewhat failure to deal with it in a
>>>>>> manner
>>>>>> > where women felt safe and listened to at nb. many valuable
>>>>>> contributing
>>>>>> > people have left nb because of its failure to address major
>>>>>> infrastructure
>>>>>> > problems. if having a more active board helps to stop sexual abuse
>>>>>> and makes
>>>>>> > the culture more welcoming to those who would positively
>>>>>> contribute, then i
>>>>>> > am 100% down with active management. i would like noisebridge to be
>>>>>> > somewhere i can bring friends to interest them in hacking, bring my
>>>>>> > childrens' school championship robotics team to inspire them to the
>>>>>> next
>>>>>> > victory, not a place where i am fearful to go on my own because
>>>>>> there are no
>>>>>> > protections or infrastructure to ensure basic safety.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > -hep
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 10:09 AM, Torrie Fischer <
>>>>>> tdfischer at hackerbots.net>
>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> I think it is important to note that in the context of a
>>>>>> hackerspace,
>>>>>> >> there is
>>>>>> >> a difference between managing the infrastructure and managing the
>>>>>> people
>>>>>> >> who
>>>>>> >> hack on the infrastructure.
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> From experience, just saying "active management" easily leads to
>>>>>> bad times
>>>>>> >> and, uh, rather verbose mailing list threads.
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> > --
>>>>>> > hep
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>>>>>> >     dis at gruntle.org || 415 867 9472
>>>>>> >
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>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Ronald Cotoni
>>>>> Systems Engineer
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>>>>
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>>>>
>>>
>>>
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