[Noisebridge-discuss] why would hackers come to noisebridge?

Thu Mar 13 18:50:18 UTC 2014

Totally not going to take an issue.  You are right.

On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 11:48 AM, Jeffrey Carl Faden
<jeffreyatw at gmail.com>wrote:

> Really don't want to take this thread too off-topic, and this isn't a
> slight against you, Ronald, but just pre-emptively: if you're going to take
> issue with criticism of your use of the term "females," consider how often
> you've used the term "males" to refer to men. Probably not that often.
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 11:44 AM, Hannah Grimm <dharlette at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> As someone who reads and votes on Double Union membership applications, I
>> can tell you right now that the single most common phrase we see on them is
>> "I went to Noisebridge...once."
>>
>> Almost all of these women tried Noisebridge first, and didn't feel
>> welcome here.  And there are a LOT of them.  They came out of the woodwork
>> so fast that we had to shut down applications after just a few months.
>>  Double Union can't take them all in, our space is just too small.  So, if
>> you think we need more members, there's a giant untapped market of really
>> passionate, active people who want this.  Make Noisebridge more welcoming
>> to women and you'll fill rosters fast.
>>
>> Oh, and by the way: referring to us as "females" is generally one of
>> those signals that tend to make women go "NOPE!"  It's also not, strictly
>> speaking, accurate; DU has a lot of trans women who feel pretty alienated
>> by that term.
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 11:24 AM, Al Sweigart <asweigart at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> The way I see it, there's plenty of hackerspaces in the bay area that
>>> men are welcome to, and UU itself has open house nights open to men. And
>>> from the fact that they had to stop accepting new members for now because
>>> they were flooded with new people, there's plenty of demand for a
>>> women-only hackerspace.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 11:18 AM, Ronald Cotoni <setient at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>> I am not. It is cool and 100% necessary due to other circumstances I
>>>> stated above.  Its a place female identifying people can go and not feel
>>>> threatened and just work on cool stuff.  It is great!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 11:07 AM, Jessica Ross <
>>>> jessica.r.ross at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Feminist doesn't imply "only other females", just that it respects
>>>>> women.
>>>>>
>>>>> Hm, after going to the website, the mission statement strongly implies
>>>>> women-only. I'm almost offended about that.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 12:53 PM, Ronald Cotoni <setient at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I am with what hep said.  I am also with Naomi.  This is a
>>>>>> hackerspace.  Lets hack the system and figure out how to solve problems.  I
>>>>>> am also with Al that I feel sad that UU had to even exist because
>>>>>> noisebridge was not safe enough or good enough.  I also understand that
>>>>>> some people just like working with other females and don't even want to
>>>>>> bother at this stage of their lives.  I just feel it was mostly a response
>>>>>> to Noisebridge not being safe and not the latter.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 10:49 AM, Naomi Most <pnaomi at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I am openly biased towards anarchism and lack of top-down control.
>>>>>>> But we can't keep shouting down the idea of "oversight" to address
>>>>>>> problems that Noisebridge has had for YEEAAARRRSSS when we've
>>>>>>> certainly given the Noisebridge traditional methods that long to fix
>>>>>>> things.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> For the record, I don't agree with the idea of direct
>>>>>>> people-management or in changing the way we arrive at decisions at
>>>>>>> Noisebridge.  My idea of a positive change would be to have the board
>>>>>>> managing facilities and facilitating participation -- e.g. forming
>>>>>>> working groups.  I believe these improvements will make a lot of the
>>>>>>> other crap die down naturally.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And as it turns out, that's what we're going to do first.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 10:46 AM, hep <dis at gruntle.org> wrote:
>>>>>>> > And that would be different from what noisebridge has had in the
>>>>>>> last 5yr
>>>>>>> > how? as it stands, many women do not feel safe at noisebridge
>>>>>>> because of
>>>>>>> > sexual assault and the past somewhat failure to deal with it in a
>>>>>>> manner
>>>>>>> > where women felt safe and listened to at nb. many valuable
>>>>>>> contributing
>>>>>>> > people have left nb because of its failure to address major
>>>>>>> infrastructure
>>>>>>> > problems. if having a more active board helps to stop sexual abuse
>>>>>>> and makes
>>>>>>> > the culture more welcoming to those who would positively
>>>>>>> contribute, then i
>>>>>>> > am 100% down with active management. i would like noisebridge to be
>>>>>>> > somewhere i can bring friends to interest them in hacking, bring my
>>>>>>> > childrens' school championship robotics team to inspire them to
>>>>>>> the next
>>>>>>> > victory, not a place where i am fearful to go on my own because
>>>>>>> there are no
>>>>>>> > protections or infrastructure to ensure basic safety.
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > -hep
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 10:09 AM, Torrie Fischer <
>>>>>>> tdfischer at hackerbots.net>
>>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >> I think it is important to note that in the context of a
>>>>>>> hackerspace,
>>>>>>> >> there is
>>>>>>> >> a difference between managing the infrastructure and managing the
>>>>>>> people
>>>>>>> >> who
>>>>>>> >> hack on the infrastructure.
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >> From experience, just saying "active management" easily leads to
>>>>>>> bad times
>>>>>>> >> and, uh, rather verbose mailing list threads.
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> > --
>>>>>>> > hep
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>>>>>>> >     dis at gruntle.org || 415 867 9472
>>>>>>> >
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>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Naomi Theora Most
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>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Ronald Cotoni
>>>>>> Systems Engineer
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Jessica R. Ross
>>>>> jessica.r.ross at gmail.com
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Ronald Cotoni
>>>> Systems Engineer
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