[Noisebridge-discuss] why would hackers come to noisebridge?

Thu Mar 13 18:52:23 UTC 2014

And THAT, dear friends, is how to be a good ally: when someone calls you
out, and you go, "Oh, my bad, sorry" instead of freaking out and trying to
rationalize it.

+2 ally points.

On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 11:50 AM, Ronald Cotoni <setient at gmail.com> wrote:

> Totally not going to take an issue.  You are right.
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 11:48 AM, Jeffrey Carl Faden <jeffreyatw at gmail.com
> > wrote:
>
>> Really don't want to take this thread too off-topic, and this isn't a
>> slight against you, Ronald, but just pre-emptively: if you're going to take
>> issue with criticism of your use of the term "females," consider how often
>> you've used the term "males" to refer to men. Probably not that often.
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 11:44 AM, Hannah Grimm <dharlette at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> As someone who reads and votes on Double Union membership applications,
>>> I can tell you right now that the single most common phrase we see on them
>>> is "I went to Noisebridge...once."
>>>
>>> Almost all of these women tried Noisebridge first, and didn't feel
>>> welcome here.  And there are a LOT of them.  They came out of the woodwork
>>> so fast that we had to shut down applications after just a few months.
>>>  Double Union can't take them all in, our space is just too small.  So, if
>>> you think we need more members, there's a giant untapped market of really
>>> passionate, active people who want this.  Make Noisebridge more welcoming
>>> to women and you'll fill rosters fast.
>>>
>>> Oh, and by the way: referring to us as "females" is generally one of
>>> those signals that tend to make women go "NOPE!"  It's also not, strictly
>>> speaking, accurate; DU has a lot of trans women who feel pretty alienated
>>> by that term.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 11:24 AM, Al Sweigart <asweigart at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>> The way I see it, there's plenty of hackerspaces in the bay area that
>>>> men are welcome to, and UU itself has open house nights open to men. And
>>>> from the fact that they had to stop accepting new members for now because
>>>> they were flooded with new people, there's plenty of demand for a
>>>> women-only hackerspace.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 11:18 AM, Ronald Cotoni <setient at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I am not. It is cool and 100% necessary due to other circumstances I
>>>>> stated above.  Its a place female identifying people can go and not feel
>>>>> threatened and just work on cool stuff.  It is great!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 11:07 AM, Jessica Ross <
>>>>> jessica.r.ross at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Feminist doesn't imply "only other females", just that it respects
>>>>>> women.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hm, after going to the website, the mission statement strongly
>>>>>> implies women-only. I'm almost offended about that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 12:53 PM, Ronald Cotoni <setient at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I am with what hep said.  I am also with Naomi.  This is a
>>>>>>> hackerspace.  Lets hack the system and figure out how to solve problems.  I
>>>>>>> am also with Al that I feel sad that UU had to even exist because
>>>>>>> noisebridge was not safe enough or good enough.  I also understand that
>>>>>>> some people just like working with other females and don't even want to
>>>>>>> bother at this stage of their lives.  I just feel it was mostly a response
>>>>>>> to Noisebridge not being safe and not the latter.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 10:49 AM, Naomi Most <pnaomi at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I am openly biased towards anarchism and lack of top-down control.
>>>>>>>> But we can't keep shouting down the idea of "oversight" to address
>>>>>>>> problems that Noisebridge has had for YEEAAARRRSSS when we've
>>>>>>>> certainly given the Noisebridge traditional methods that long to fix
>>>>>>>> things.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> For the record, I don't agree with the idea of direct
>>>>>>>> people-management or in changing the way we arrive at decisions at
>>>>>>>> Noisebridge.  My idea of a positive change would be to have the
>>>>>>>> board
>>>>>>>> managing facilities and facilitating participation -- e.g. forming
>>>>>>>> working groups.  I believe these improvements will make a lot of the
>>>>>>>> other crap die down naturally.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And as it turns out, that's what we're going to do first.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 10:46 AM, hep <dis at gruntle.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>> > And that would be different from what noisebridge has had in the
>>>>>>>> last 5yr
>>>>>>>> > how? as it stands, many women do not feel safe at noisebridge
>>>>>>>> because of
>>>>>>>> > sexual assault and the past somewhat failure to deal with it in a
>>>>>>>> manner
>>>>>>>> > where women felt safe and listened to at nb. many valuable
>>>>>>>> contributing
>>>>>>>> > people have left nb because of its failure to address major
>>>>>>>> infrastructure
>>>>>>>> > problems. if having a more active board helps to stop sexual
>>>>>>>> abuse and makes
>>>>>>>> > the culture more welcoming to those who would positively
>>>>>>>> contribute, then i
>>>>>>>> > am 100% down with active management. i would like noisebridge to
>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>> > somewhere i can bring friends to interest them in hacking, bring
>>>>>>>> my
>>>>>>>> > childrens' school championship robotics team to inspire them to
>>>>>>>> the next
>>>>>>>> > victory, not a place where i am fearful to go on my own because
>>>>>>>> there are no
>>>>>>>> > protections or infrastructure to ensure basic safety.
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> > -hep
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> > On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 10:09 AM, Torrie Fischer <
>>>>>>>> tdfischer at hackerbots.net>
>>>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >> I think it is important to note that in the context of a
>>>>>>>> hackerspace,
>>>>>>>> >> there is
>>>>>>>> >> a difference between managing the infrastructure and managing
>>>>>>>> the people
>>>>>>>> >> who
>>>>>>>> >> hack on the infrastructure.
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >> From experience, just saying "active management" easily leads to
>>>>>>>> bad times
>>>>>>>> >> and, uh, rather verbose mailing list threads.
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> > --
>>>>>>>> > hep
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>>>>>>>> >     dis at gruntle.org || 415 867 9472
>>>>>>>> >
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>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Ronald Cotoni
>>>>>>> Systems Engineer
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>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Jessica R. Ross
>>>>>> jessica.r.ross at gmail.com
>>>>>>
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>>>>> --
>>>>> Ronald Cotoni
>>>>> Systems Engineer
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