[Noisebridge-discuss] modern sexism

Tue Mar 18 21:18:02 UTC 2014

Charles, you make brilliant points often.  Here's what good I think is
being caused by this.  I don't identify as a white person (I do as a human
and my mental avatar is Samuel L. Jackson), and therefore feel it's really
lame for folks to tell others how to think and what groups they can and
can't join and that I'm an asshole for wanting to join demographically
uniform groups just because I don't fit neatly into one group or another.
 You wrote the word "trans-racial" I think, and I was like, "That's the
word for it!"  I'm not physically changing my appearance, but my brain just
doesn't feel like a white female's brain.  Some part of it is male, and
African American (all of us have African ancestors).  Doesn't help that I'm
often excluded by a variety of people from my parents' ethnic groups.  It's
not a matter of disrespect; if you followed me around for a year, you'd
understand.

Also, does this mean there's an impasse on all the crazy drama that has
been permeating the mailing list since before I ever set foot in NB?

On Tue, Mar 18, 2014 at 2:07 PM, Charles Tang <cjtang1 at asu.edu> wrote:

> It's the name of a group. I had thought that it really wasn't exclusive to
> men.  I had thought that it was attempting to pull men into feminism. An
> attempt to deterritorialize boundaries. I poked fun at the group once, and
> there was a serious reaction to it.
>
> But, if you are all at conflict, what good does a group do?
>
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> On 18 March 2014 13:38, Elizabeth Hubbard <emhubbard28 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> So, there's a choosing pool for feminism?  Where do I sign up?  Here I
>> thought I was a feminist for the past 20+ years, now I have to go ask
>> someone permission.
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 18, 2014 at 1:36 PM, Alexandra Glowaski <
>> alex.glowaski at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Wat.
>>>
>>> Can we get this off the list?
>>>
>>> (inb4 free speech: we are not the government; communities are empowered
>>> to choose their constituents and set standards for communication.)
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Mar 18, 2014 at 1:33 PM, Elizabeth Hubbard <
>>> emhubbard28 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Not to be a kid about it (most kids don't quite think at this level
>>>> yet), but going around telling people how they should identify themselves
>>>> according to race and gender is highly ignorant and bigoted.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Mar 18, 2014 at 1:25 PM, Adrian Chadd <adrian.chadd at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> kids, please..
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -a
>>>>>
>>>>> On 18 March 2014 13:24, Elizabeth Hubbard <emhubbard28 at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> > Nice to hear you laugh, but I'd never call my mother an asshole.  I
>>>>> would
>>>>> > call you one three times in a row, though.  Asshole, asshole,
>>>>> asshole.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > On Tue, Mar 18, 2014 at 1:22 PM, Lupita Berries <
>>>>> garyberries at gmail.com>
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Lol, I'm not your mom, you can stop acting like a child.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> On Tue, Mar 18, 2014 at 1:21 PM, Elizabeth Hubbard <
>>>>> emhubbard28 at gmail.com>
>>>>> >> wrote:
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> You're a disrespectful and delusional asshole.  I can join
>>>>> whatever group
>>>>> >>> I want, because I identify as human.  (Says so on my census data.)
>>>>>  Maybe
>>>>> >>> you don't identify me as human, but you can go mind your own
>>>>> business.
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> On Tue, Mar 18, 2014 at 1:19 PM, Lupita Berries <
>>>>> garyberries at gmail.com>
>>>>> >>> wrote:
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> You can do whatever you want, but you can't stop others from
>>>>> calling you
>>>>> >>>> out as a disrespectful and delusional asshole.
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> On Tue, Mar 18, 2014 at 1:09 PM, Elizabeth Hubbard
>>>>> >>>> <emhubbard28 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> I can be a black panther if I want to be.  Maybe a lone black
>>>>> panther
>>>>> >>>>> in my own home, but my labels are my own choosing and anyone who
>>>>> tells me
>>>>> >>>>> otherwise is going to get an ironic eyebrow and told to mind
>>>>> their own
>>>>> >>>>> business.  Our labels are own business.  Co-opting them from
>>>>> other people,
>>>>> >>>>> not our business.
>>>>> >>>>>
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