[Noisebridge-discuss] modern sexism

Tue Mar 18 21:26:02 UTC 2014

That ignorance came from trust. I trusted, and I tried. Then I trolled
because I could not speak, and I still am unable to speak. But, I am moving
on from it.

I am moving on from all of this stuff. I will try my hardest.

On 18 March 2014 14:18, Elizabeth Hubbard <emhubbard28 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Charles, you make brilliant points often.  Here's what good I think is
> being caused by this.  I don't identify as a white person (I do as a human
> and my mental avatar is Samuel L. Jackson), and therefore feel it's really
> lame for folks to tell others how to think and what groups they can and
> can't join and that I'm an asshole for wanting to join demographically
> uniform groups just because I don't fit neatly into one group or another.
>  You wrote the word "trans-racial" I think, and I was like, "That's the
> word for it!"  I'm not physically changing my appearance, but my brain just
> doesn't feel like a white female's brain.  Some part of it is male, and
> African American (all of us have African ancestors).  Doesn't help that I'm
> often excluded by a variety of people from my parents' ethnic groups.  It's
> not a matter of disrespect; if you followed me around for a year, you'd
> understand.
>
> Also, does this mean there's an impasse on all the crazy drama that has
> been permeating the mailing list since before I ever set foot in NB?
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 18, 2014 at 2:07 PM, Charles Tang <cjtang1 at asu.edu> wrote:
>
>> It's the name of a group. I had thought that it really wasn't exclusive
>> to men.  I had thought that it was attempting to pull men into feminism. An
>> attempt to deterritorialize boundaries. I poked fun at the group once, and
>> there was a serious reaction to it.
>>
>> But, if you are all at conflict, what good does a group do?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 18 March 2014 13:38, Elizabeth Hubbard <emhubbard28 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> So, there's a choosing pool for feminism?  Where do I sign up?  Here I
>>> thought I was a feminist for the past 20+ years, now I have to go ask
>>> someone permission.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Mar 18, 2014 at 1:36 PM, Alexandra Glowaski <
>>> alex.glowaski at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Wat.
>>>>
>>>> Can we get this off the list?
>>>>
>>>> (inb4 free speech: we are not the government; communities are empowered
>>>> to choose their constituents and set standards for communication.)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Mar 18, 2014 at 1:33 PM, Elizabeth Hubbard <
>>>> emhubbard28 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Not to be a kid about it (most kids don't quite think at this level
>>>>> yet), but going around telling people how they should identify themselves
>>>>> according to race and gender is highly ignorant and bigoted.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Mar 18, 2014 at 1:25 PM, Adrian Chadd <adrian.chadd at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> kids, please..
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -a
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 18 March 2014 13:24, Elizabeth Hubbard <emhubbard28 at gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> > Nice to hear you laugh, but I'd never call my mother an asshole.  I
>>>>>> would
>>>>>> > call you one three times in a row, though.  Asshole, asshole,
>>>>>> asshole.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > On Tue, Mar 18, 2014 at 1:22 PM, Lupita Berries <
>>>>>> garyberries at gmail.com>
>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> Lol, I'm not your mom, you can stop acting like a child.
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> On Tue, Mar 18, 2014 at 1:21 PM, Elizabeth Hubbard <
>>>>>> emhubbard28 at gmail.com>
>>>>>> >> wrote:
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>> You're a disrespectful and delusional asshole.  I can join
>>>>>> whatever group
>>>>>> >>> I want, because I identify as human.  (Says so on my census
>>>>>> data.)  Maybe
>>>>>> >>> you don't identify me as human, but you can go mind your own
>>>>>> business.
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>> On Tue, Mar 18, 2014 at 1:19 PM, Lupita Berries <
>>>>>> garyberries at gmail.com>
>>>>>> >>> wrote:
>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>> You can do whatever you want, but you can't stop others from
>>>>>> calling you
>>>>>> >>>> out as a disrespectful and delusional asshole.
>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>> On Tue, Mar 18, 2014 at 1:09 PM, Elizabeth Hubbard
>>>>>> >>>> <emhubbard28 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>> I can be a black panther if I want to be.  Maybe a lone black
>>>>>> panther
>>>>>> >>>>> in my own home, but my labels are my own choosing and anyone
>>>>>> who tells me
>>>>>> >>>>> otherwise is going to get an ironic eyebrow and told to mind
>>>>>> their own
>>>>>> >>>>> business.  Our labels are own business.  Co-opting them from
>>>>>> other people,
>>>>>> >>>>> not our business.
>>>>>> >>>>>
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