[Noisebridge-discuss] why cointelpro2.0 kills community

maestro maestro415 at gmail.com
Fri Mar 28 03:12:17 UTC 2014


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On Thursday, March 27, 2014, Leif Ryge <leif at synthesize.us> wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 01:18:11AM -0700, Tom Lowenthal wrote:
>> I think that the criticisms in your message are aimed at me. If
>> they're not, and it's someone else you're calling an awful person, a
>> petty tinpot dictator, an informant, an infiltrator, a lazy and
>> incompetent hijacker with awful intentions, then I apologise. Sadly, I
>> think you're talking about me.
> I think the informant part, at least, was likely referring to Ronald
> (who you and Al decided was a member over my objections[1]) since he is
> actually known to have been an FBI informant[2].
> 1:
> 2:
> I do think you're acting like a dictator. I don't have any reason to
> you're a state-sponsored infiltrator, other than that your actions are
> consistent with someone intent on destroying a community organization and
> is a thing states sometimes covertly do. It also seems plausible that
> just doing this for the lulz.
> I appreciate and agree with Rachel1.0's recent "assume good faith"
message, and
> I generally try to do that. Unfortunately, I stopped doing that with you,
> sometime last year when you told me quite plainly, in the context of a
> discussion about creating new policies at Noisebridge, that you are a
> troll". You literally said to me "You do know that I'm a giant troll,
> you?". (I was surprised to learn this, and said as much.)
> I regret that I haven't spent much of my recent time and energy on
> your bureaucratic process-trolling of Noisebridge. Living far away, as I
> now, has a lot to do with it, but I do still love Noisebridge and it
saddens me
> to watch your attempts at destroying it.
> My recommendation to the members of Noisebridge is to have a new board
> election, and elect people who aren't process fetishists. You shouldn't
> Tom's permission to do this, though I expect he'll tell you that you do.
> Removing Tom's membership would also be prudent, since he has clearly
> that he doesn't respect our consensus process.
> ~leif
> ps: what's the story here?


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