[Noisebridge-discuss] why would hackers come to noisebridge?
Jake
jake at spaz.org
Wed Mar 5 23:59:20 UTC 2014
Gregory,
it seems as though josh / no_hat sucks and should GTFO. I'm sorry that
you have had to suffer his abuse and I hope that noisebridge has banned
him or will do so soon. If we can't set our standards higher than that,
then i see no hope.
-jake
On Wed, 5 Mar 2014, Gregory Dillon wrote:
> It is a daunting task to bring coverage to the space during less used
> hours. I live nearby and tried during the morning hours in January
> and first weeks of February and kept notes here:
> https://noisebridge.net/wiki/User_talk:Gregorydillon But I realize
> that the space means more to those who sleep there then it does to
> hackers, so its a difficult dynamic.
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 3:25 PM, Ronald Cotoni <setient at gmail.com> wrote:
> Right, we need more people around all the time. That is basically the solution to everything. I would like to possibly propose that we setup a scheduling system
> where we can ensure 24 hour coverage of the space. If we can't get 24 hour coverage, we need to figure out a way to deal with those situations. I like having the
> space open but having the space open with no one excellent there is pretty much not excellent. Perhaps it would also be nicer if we can take some time and convert
> more verbal tradition into wiki articles. Put stickers on everything with a NBurl on it explaining what it is. That could help prevent things from getting thrown
> out and such and walking off.
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 3:07 PM, Jake <jake at spaz.org> wrote:
> well, you're doing more to fix the infrastructure than I have lately, but that is not the kind of problems i'm talking about.
>
> my complaint is that the culture of noisebridge has become so uninteresting and unrelated to hacking that it is bordering on irrelavent. The fact that you are
> volunteering your time to maintain the internet at a homeless shelter is quaint, but it doesn't change the fact that most hackers don't want to go there
> anymore.
>
> there are two categories of reasons why a hacker would want to go to noisebridge:
>
> 1> other hackers are there, and people they can relate to and share interesting conversation with, or just be around while working on projects of their own.
> People are there experimenting on things, hardware software and other, and one might learn something or teach something or make new friends with similar
> interests.
>
> 2> there is a "safe space" with technical infrastructure. This means that people who refuse to be HIGHLY accountable for problematic behavior are simply not
> permitted to be present (a much higher standard than we have now). Oh and lets not forget at least one usable bathroom with a decent toilet seat and toilet
> paper.
>
> This also means that the technical infrastructure is in place and usable. For software people this means the internet works and there are outlets, clean places
> to sit (with decent posture, not fall-in couches) and tables for laptops and room to work with others.
>
> For hardware this means that tools are more than just the bottom of the barrel (try finding a pair of scissors or a phillips screwdriver) and that there are
> actually nice things (a soldering iron with a temperature control instead of $2 china disposable irons), AND more advanced tools are available such as
> microcontroller programmers, blank microcontrollers, and other electronic hardware for raw material.
>
> Noisebridge used to have a great collection of microcontrollers and programmers and breadboards and jumper wires and advanced electronic tools, but all of that
> stuff was REPEATEDLY taken down from the top shelf and scattered into the e-waste piles, and then thrown away. Yes, our microcontroller and programmer
> collection has made its way to the trash.
>
> categories 1 and 2 are related; if a hackerspace has one without the other, hackers still may not decide to go. Certainly I think both are equally important.
> I also feel that at this time, and for too long, noisebridge has not had either.
>
> P.S. please notice that ONE OF THE THINGS YOU CAN DO TO HELP IS TO GO TO NOISEBRIDGE MORE OFTEN.
>
> -jake
>
> On Wed, 5 Mar 2014, Ronald Cotoni wrote:
>
> You aren't. We can totally improve it but it requires constant vigilance and new leadership to step up. Right now, I am the point man for
> replacing stallion which I am doing a
> horrible job of since I have a ton of other things going on. I was there on Thursday and knew of the door issues. I was trying to get nohat (who
> claims to be a haxor) to take
> a look. He spent a few minutes then gave up. I suppose I could have helped and given him more direction but I didn't. I should have also sent
> mail so this is 100% my fault.
> I am sorry. Speaking of that, I would like to write up a wiki page and put some stickers with a nburl on it so people can go to it if it is
> broken. That way they can easily
> troubleshoot and completely understand the system. I think there is already a wiki page but I haven't looked.
> Sorry I failed it :(
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 2:17 PM, Jake <jake at spaz.org> wrote:
> On Wed, 5 Mar 2014, Torrie Fischer wrote:
>
> On Wednesday, March 05, 2014 00:42:03 Jake wrote:
> someone cut the wires to the payphone that allows people to open the gate
> with a door code. probably because they figured (correctly) that people
> would just jam the door open so it doesn't ever latch, rather than fix it.
>
> nobody capable of splicing eight wires has fixed it yet, as of last night,
> because the only people who go to noisebridge now think that wire is for
> tying a sleeping bag onto your backpack.
>
> nobody has posted a message to the discuss list because people who know
> how to use computers no longer go to noisebridge to know to post about it.
>
> also, one of the toilets at noisebridge is now for "liquids only" because
> the skill and will to repair a clogged toilet are not available. The clog
> is likely due to lack of toilet paper causing someone to use a handy rag
> to wipe their ass rather than buy toilet paper. There is a mop there, and
> a sign saying to mop up "when" the toilet leaks.
>
> until the beaurocrats and blockers use their marvelous power of consensus,
> blockage, grandstanding and bickering to do something to improve the
> overall culture at noisebridge to a point where hackers actually want to
> go there, i refuse to acknowledge the results of this sham election and I
> hope others do the same.
>
>
> What would you suggest this "something" is?
>
> I understand the sentiments presented here, but it isn't productive to go on
> about "something being wrong" without constructive suggestions of what change
> you would like to see at noisebridge.
>
>
> I would assume you are presenting this question to everyone, but it is worded as specifically addressed to me. I have made plenty of suggestions
> and put plenty of time
> into trying to solve problems like this and i have not had sufficient cooperation or backing.
>
> If you don't think there's a problem at noisebridge, then there is no need for you to ask me or anyone to waste our time suggesting solutions. But
> if you do think there
> is a problem, I urge you to solicit input from everyone and work toward getting people on the same page to agree on actions to take.
>
> maybe i'm the only one who thinks noisebridge has become a sad shadow of its former greatness and things should change?
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