[Noisebridge-discuss] why would hackers come to noisebridge?

Sun Mar 9 00:07:45 UTC 2014

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Cybermagicians living in fairy land.

On 8 March 2014 15:45, Ronald Cotoni <setient at gmail.com> wrote:

> Yup.  The problem was some people, who no longer attend the space mostly,
> thought that napping in the space was OK.  This lead to the grey area of "I
> was just resting my eyes!" and sleep hacking.  Grey areas and hackers are
> traditionally exported.   We also accept lame excuses apparently for doing
> not excellent things.
>
>
> On Sat, Mar 8, 2014 at 3:08 PM, Romy Snowyla <romy at snowyla.com> wrote:
>
>> I understand but I don't understand why we keep having these sleeping
>> debates.
>>
>> The terms of the lease make it all clear.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Mar 8, 2014, at 11:45 AM, "Jeffrey Carl Faden" <jeffreyatw at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>  Yes.
>> Jeffrey
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Mar 8, 2014 at 9:06 AM, Curtis Gagliardi <
>> gagliardi.curtis at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Speaking of which, there were 3 homeless people there last night, one of
>>> which was super sketchy and I wanted to ask to leave but I didn't really
>>> know how to go about it.  Is not hacking on anything grounds for kicking
>>> someone out?
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Mar 8, 2014 at 6:52 AM, Romy Snowyla <romy at snowyla.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>  It's so awesome that noise bridge is having a discussion about making
>>>> noise bridge attractive to hackers.
>>>>
>>>> NB is not a social work center or a church .. Turning hackers into
>>>> social workers is not the answer
>>>>
>>>> It was founded as a hacker space.
>>>>
>>>> Rad discussion
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>> On Mar 7, 2014, at 9:48 PM, Dean Mao <dean.mao at hackerdojo.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>  I don't just mean members only from 11pm to 10am.  I mean, nobody is
>>>> allowed in the space between those times.  The Hacker Dojo is supposed to
>>>> be members only from 10pm to 8am, but there's always people who sneak in to
>>>> sleep there.  In the early days of the Dojo, the last member to leave would
>>>> kick everyone out and put a deadbolt in the door.  We never had a problem
>>>> with finding sleepy people in the morning!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 7:49 AM, Jeffrey Carl Faden <
>>>> jeffreyatw at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> We did that mere months ago - made the space members only from 11pm to
>>>>> 10am - but the trial was cut short by "associate membership", the policies
>>>>> of which don't seem to be panning out.
>>>>>
>>>>> I think the members-only hours should have been given their full
>>>>> three-month trial run before attempting something else.
>>>>> Jeffrey
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 12:05 AM, Dean Mao <dean.mao at hackerdojo.com>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Maybe the best way is to have the hackerspace close it's doors around
>>>>>> 1am and reopen at 9am.  This was done at the south bay hackerspace when we
>>>>>> didn't have doors that could be opened from the inside.  I remember I had
>>>>>> to ask people sleeping to leave because I was about to lock up.  It was
>>>>>> definitely a good way to prevent people from staying overnight.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 7:13 PM, Dana <dana-lists at sonic.net> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 2014-03-05 15:25, Ronald Cotoni wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Right, we need more people around all the time.  That is basically
>>>>>>>> the solution to everything.  I would like to possibly propose that
>>>>>>>> we
>>>>>>>> setup a scheduling system where we can ensure 24 hour coverage of
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> space.  If we can't get 24 hour coverage, we need to figure out a
>>>>>>>> way
>>>>>>>> to deal with those situations.  I like having the space open but
>>>>>>>> having the space open with no one excellent there is pretty much not
>>>>>>>> excellent.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> +1 I think community/human solutions have worked best at improving
>>>>>>> NB's troubles, but how do we sustain them? They come in fits and starts
>>>>>>> (rebase, docents, cleaning, coming by at early hours), but are very
>>>>>>> challenging and tedious, it's easy to get discouraged and burn out.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Whatever of the state of the space, new people hear about
>>>>>>> Noisebridge and come by to learn from classes and workshops, which are
>>>>>>> excellent and I think more isolated from a lot of drama. Lately I worry
>>>>>>> that even classes are threatened because infrastructure has decayed to the
>>>>>>> point where hosting a workshop is a challenge. You no longer know if there
>>>>>>> will be a working bathroom, a stable internet connection or a roll of
>>>>>>> solder (and it's frustrating to donate parts or dedicate time to fix things
>>>>>>> when they go missing or are left in disarray the next time you come by).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Dean Mao
>>>>>> dean.mao at hackerdojo.com
>>>>>> Come visit us, we love new people!
>>>>>> www.hackerdojo.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Dean Mao
>>>> dean.mao at hackerdojo.com
>>>> Come visit us, we love new people!
>>>> www.hackerdojo.com
>>>>
>>>>
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