[Noisebridge-discuss] why would hackers come to noisebridge?

Sun Mar 9 00:50:57 UTC 2014

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On 8 March 2014 16:50, Charles Tang <cjtang1 at asu.edu> wrote:

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>> On 8 March 2014 16:07, Charles Tang <cjtang1 at asu.edu> wrote:
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>>> Cybermagicians living in fairy land.
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>>> On 8 March 2014 15:45, Ronald Cotoni <setient at gmail.com> wrote:
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>>>> Yup.  The problem was some people, who no longer attend the space
>>>> mostly, thought that napping in the space was OK.  This lead to the grey
>>>> area of "I was just resting my eyes!" and sleep hacking.  Grey areas and
>>>> hackers are traditionally exported.   We also accept lame excuses
>>>> apparently for doing not excellent things.
>>>>
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>>>> On Sat, Mar 8, 2014 at 3:08 PM, Romy Snowyla <romy at snowyla.com> wrote:
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>>>>> I understand but I don't understand why we keep having these sleeping
>>>>> debates.
>>>>>
>>>>> The terms of the lease make it all clear.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mar 8, 2014, at 11:45 AM, "Jeffrey Carl Faden" <
>>>>> jeffreyatw at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>  Yes.
>>>>> Jeffrey
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, Mar 8, 2014 at 9:06 AM, Curtis Gagliardi <
>>>>> gagliardi.curtis at gmail.com> wrote:
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>>>>>> Speaking of which, there were 3 homeless people there last night, one
>>>>>> of which was super sketchy and I wanted to ask to leave but I didn't really
>>>>>> know how to go about it.  Is not hacking on anything grounds for kicking
>>>>>> someone out?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sat, Mar 8, 2014 at 6:52 AM, Romy Snowyla <romy at snowyla.com>wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  It's so awesome that noise bridge is having a discussion about
>>>>>>> making noise bridge attractive to hackers.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> NB is not a social work center or a church .. Turning hackers into
>>>>>>> social workers is not the answer
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It was founded as a hacker space.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Rad discussion
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mar 7, 2014, at 9:48 PM, Dean Mao <dean.mao at hackerdojo.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  I don't just mean members only from 11pm to 10am.  I mean, nobody
>>>>>>> is allowed in the space between those times.  The Hacker Dojo is supposed
>>>>>>> to be members only from 10pm to 8am, but there's always people who sneak in
>>>>>>> to sleep there.  In the early days of the Dojo, the last member to leave
>>>>>>> would kick everyone out and put a deadbolt in the door.  We never had a
>>>>>>> problem with finding sleepy people in the morning!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 7:49 AM, Jeffrey Carl Faden <
>>>>>>> jeffreyatw at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> We did that mere months ago - made the space members only from 11pm
>>>>>>>> to 10am - but the trial was cut short by "associate membership", the
>>>>>>>> policies of which don't seem to be panning out.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I think the members-only hours should have been given their full
>>>>>>>> three-month trial run before attempting something else.
>>>>>>>> Jeffrey
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 12:05 AM, Dean Mao <dean.mao at hackerdojo.com>wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Maybe the best way is to have the hackerspace close it's doors
>>>>>>>>> around 1am and reopen at 9am.  This was done at the south bay hackerspace
>>>>>>>>> when we didn't have doors that could be opened from the inside.  I remember
>>>>>>>>> I had to ask people sleeping to leave because I was about to lock up.  It
>>>>>>>>> was definitely a good way to prevent people from staying overnight.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 7:13 PM, Dana <dana-lists at sonic.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 2014-03-05 15:25, Ronald Cotoni wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Right, we need more people around all the time.  That is
>>>>>>>>>>> basically
>>>>>>>>>>> the solution to everything.  I would like to possibly propose
>>>>>>>>>>> that we
>>>>>>>>>>> setup a scheduling system where we can ensure 24 hour coverage
>>>>>>>>>>> of the
>>>>>>>>>>> space.  If we can't get 24 hour coverage, we need to figure out
>>>>>>>>>>> a way
>>>>>>>>>>> to deal with those situations.  I like having the space open but
>>>>>>>>>>> having the space open with no one excellent there is pretty much
>>>>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>>>>> excellent.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> +1 I think community/human solutions have worked best at
>>>>>>>>>> improving NB's troubles, but how do we sustain them? They come in fits and
>>>>>>>>>> starts (rebase, docents, cleaning, coming by at early hours), but are very
>>>>>>>>>> challenging and tedious, it's easy to get discouraged and burn out.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Whatever of the state of the space, new people hear about
>>>>>>>>>> Noisebridge and come by to learn from classes and workshops, which are
>>>>>>>>>> excellent and I think more isolated from a lot of drama. Lately I worry
>>>>>>>>>> that even classes are threatened because infrastructure has decayed to the
>>>>>>>>>> point where hosting a workshop is a challenge. You no longer know if there
>>>>>>>>>> will be a working bathroom, a stable internet connection or a roll of
>>>>>>>>>> solder (and it's frustrating to donate parts or dedicate time to fix things
>>>>>>>>>> when they go missing or are left in disarray the next time you come by).
>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> Dean Mao
>>>>>>>>> dean.mao at hackerdojo.com
>>>>>>>>> Come visit us, we love new people!
>>>>>>>>> www.hackerdojo.com
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Dean Mao
>>>>>>> dean.mao at hackerdojo.com
>>>>>>> Come visit us, we love new people!
>>>>>>> www.hackerdojo.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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>>>> Ronald Cotoni
>>>> Systems Engineer
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