[Noisebridge-discuss] why would hackers come to noisebridge?

Thu Mar 13 23:44:58 UTC 2014

Membership hasn't skyrocketed. Its just always busy.

Adrian
 On Mar 13, 2014 4:17 PM, "Dean Mao" <dean.mao at hackerdojo.com> wrote:

> The Hacker Dojo is arguably younger than noisebridge and probably less
> "membership-oriented" compared to noisebridge, but our membership has
> skyrocketed to the point where it's hard to find an empty chair during
> normal business hours.  We still have the occasional sleeper at night, but
> because we are so fast at banning people, that problem usually doesn't
> persist.  When we banned patrick keyes, it only required a meeting of 3-4
> people and it was a done deal.  You guys should definitely reconsider how
> you ban people.  We didn't have to ask all of our directors for ban
> approval to make it happen.
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 11:06 AM, Al Sweigart <asweigart at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hep, your description of Noisebridge is spot on.
>>
>> Here's the difference that I think an active board can make: Noisebridge
>> has taken to the extreme a philosophy that we shouldn't ban people or that
>> we should give bad behavior effectively unlimited second chances. (The
>> first person we banned was Patrick Keyes for sexually harassing multiple
>> women, and even then it was pulling teeth to get him banned and not just
>> suspended.) Consensus is what affords this: a tiny minority can block,
>> delay, and in general abuse process to wear out their opponents.
>>
>> A board does not have to endlessly talk about policy and makes decisions
>> by majority vote: a board can set policy and *gasp* make decisions. This
>> includes suspending and banning people for bad behavior.
>>
>> (Obligatory footnote about abuse of power, "define bad behavior", tyranny
>> of the majority, etc.)
>>
>> Consensus is what holds Noisebridge hostage: a 1% can have more power
>> just because they have more volume, and meanwhile we can't get many new
>> members because we are so afraid of extending this power to new people.
>>
>> -Al
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 10:53 AM, Ronald Cotoni <setient at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> I am with what hep said.  I am also with Naomi.  This is a hackerspace.
>>>  Lets hack the system and figure out how to solve problems.  I am also with
>>> Al that I feel sad that UU had to even exist because noisebridge was not
>>> safe enough or good enough.  I also understand that some people just like
>>> working with other females and don't even want to bother at this stage of
>>> their lives.  I just feel it was mostly a response to Noisebridge not being
>>> safe and not the latter.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 10:49 AM, Naomi Most <pnaomi at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I am openly biased towards anarchism and lack of top-down control.
>>>> But we can't keep shouting down the idea of "oversight" to address
>>>> problems that Noisebridge has had for YEEAAARRRSSS when we've
>>>> certainly given the Noisebridge traditional methods that long to fix
>>>> things.
>>>>
>>>> For the record, I don't agree with the idea of direct
>>>> people-management or in changing the way we arrive at decisions at
>>>> Noisebridge.  My idea of a positive change would be to have the board
>>>> managing facilities and facilitating participation -- e.g. forming
>>>> working groups.  I believe these improvements will make a lot of the
>>>> other crap die down naturally.
>>>>
>>>> And as it turns out, that's what we're going to do first.
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 10:46 AM, hep <dis at gruntle.org> wrote:
>>>> > And that would be different from what noisebridge has had in the last
>>>> 5yr
>>>> > how? as it stands, many women do not feel safe at noisebridge because
>>>> of
>>>> > sexual assault and the past somewhat failure to deal with it in a
>>>> manner
>>>> > where women felt safe and listened to at nb. many valuable
>>>> contributing
>>>> > people have left nb because of its failure to address major
>>>> infrastructure
>>>> > problems. if having a more active board helps to stop sexual abuse
>>>> and makes
>>>> > the culture more welcoming to those who would positively contribute,
>>>> then i
>>>> > am 100% down with active management. i would like noisebridge to be
>>>> > somewhere i can bring friends to interest them in hacking, bring my
>>>> > childrens' school championship robotics team to inspire them to the
>>>> next
>>>> > victory, not a place where i am fearful to go on my own because there
>>>> are no
>>>> > protections or infrastructure to ensure basic safety.
>>>> >
>>>> > -hep
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 10:09 AM, Torrie Fischer <
>>>> tdfischer at hackerbots.net>
>>>> > wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> I think it is important to note that in the context of a hackerspace,
>>>> >> there is
>>>> >> a difference between managing the infrastructure and managing the
>>>> people
>>>> >> who
>>>> >> hack on the infrastructure.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> From experience, just saying "active management" easily leads to bad
>>>> times
>>>> >> and, uh, rather verbose mailing list threads.
>>>> >>
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