[Noisebridge-discuss] [Rack] RFID tag research

Jeffrey Carl Faden jeffreyatw at gmail.com
Sun May 11 20:35:19 UTC 2014


I'd at least like the use of non-exclusive RFID tags to be an option. I
don't want to carry more stuff if I can help it.


On Sun, May 11, 2014 at 1:33 PM, Naomi Most <pnaomi at gmail.com> wrote:

> You improve trust in another direction actually -- trust that a
> "foreign" RFID has less of an opportunity to compromise baron in an
> unexpected way.
>
> (I'm not saying that's "likely" but you have to consider something
> like a code injection attack "possible".)
>
> The downside of us using exclusively our own RFID tags, of course, is
> that they become a limited resource.  But I'm not sure that's a bug.
>
> As to people worrying about their uses being recorded:  that's going
> to continue to be a possible complaint.
>
> And actually, the fact that we don't hear that complaint all that
> often makes me think perhaps I'm making too much of a deal out of
> sticking to exclusive-use RFID tags.
>
> *ruminating*...
>
> --Naomi
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, May 11, 2014 at 1:22 PM, Jeffrey Carl Faden
> <jeffreyatw at gmail.com> wrote:
> > No one can either fully trust the people doing the allowing and revoking,
> > either.
> >
> > But yeah, at least the problem of trust is remedied if people use
> > case-specific RFID tags.
> >
> > People might still want to complain about their uses being recorded, to
> > which I respond: do these same people complain about their keypad code
> uses
> > being recorded?
> >
> >
> > On Sun, May 11, 2014 at 1:15 PM, Naomi Most <pnaomi at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Open source helps with transparency as long as you trust the people
> >> doing the deploying, and we're not giving everyone equal access to
> >> that.
> >>
> >> Sad to say, paranoia and conspiracy theories run deep in this community.
> >>
> >> --Naomi
> >>
> >>
> >> On Sun, May 11, 2014 at 12:57 PM, Jeffrey Carl Faden
> >> <jeffreyatw at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > I expect that this will be an extension to Baron, which is
> open-source.
> >> > https://github.com/noisebridge/noisebridge-baron
> >> >
> >> > If people are uneasy about that, we plan on purchasing a bunch of RFID
> >> > cards
> >> > with no other data on them. They're super cheap.
> >> >
> >> > Jeffrey
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On Sun, May 11, 2014 at 12:53 PM, Naomi Most <pnaomi at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> There are deeper issues beyond the possibility of possibly corrupting
> >> >> a card (and yeah, mistakes do happen).
> >> >>
> >> >> For instance, do we want to end up giving anyone the impression that
> >> >> we might, even for a second, be collecting sensitive personal data?
> >> >>
> >> >> --Naomi
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> On Sun, May 11, 2014 at 11:50 AM, Jeffrey Carl Faden
> >> >> <jeffreyatw at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> > I don't believe we intend this to be a read/write system.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > On Sun, May 11, 2014 at 11:32 AM, Norman Bradley
> >> >> > <pryankster at gmail.com>
> >> >> > wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> My concern with using Clipper Cards is that if this is setup as a
> >> >> >> read/write system it could damage the card losing the user transit
> >> >> >> money or
> >> >> >> even invalidating the card. Mistakes happen.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> You are entitled to your own opinion.
> >> >> >> You are NOT entitled to your own facts.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Norman
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> On 5/10/2014 12:53 PM, Henner Zeller wrote:
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> Ultimately, I'd like to offer that people can use their Clipper
> >> >> >>> cards
> >> >> >>> or
> >> >> >>> whatever stuff they already have to use as a means of entry.
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>
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