[Noisebridge-discuss] Noisebridge, and a possible future 1-2 years out

[Praveen Sinha]

In all seriousness *hug* though.

To address your critiques  collectives actually have shown to scale up
pretty far.  The Mondragon federation has 80,000 people involved in it, and
that's largely been established pre-internet era
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mondragon_Corporation

I think it's a very interesting open question how can keep scaling systems
of democracy and consensus personally.

I would love to hear your input on what to do "right" from the ground up if
you were launching your own project.

Love,
Praveen



On Thu, May 15, 2014 at 11:32 AM, openfly <
openfly at xn--kgbed8a0h.xn--ngbc5azd> wrote:

>
> I'd just like to be the first one to predict that this entire fiasco
> will end in disaster and tears.  And there will be plenty of blame all
> over, but none of the people involved will ever break from their belief
> that NEXT TIME they will get it right.  And there will never be a day
> that they ever get it right.
>
> Also, the difference in real estate costs between oakland and sf are
> logarythmic.
>
> But yeah.  This is such a horrifically bad idea.
>
> "hacker spa / massage collective".
>
>
> Christ.  If I didn't know Praveen was a nutter I'd think this was a
> hilarious parody of the sort of jokers that destroyed noisebridge.
>
> -openfly
>
> On Wed, May 14, 2014 at 10:31:30PM -0700, Praveen Sinha wrote:
> > Hello Noisebridge,
> >
> > Much love from Oakland, where I am currently hanging out with the fine
> > folks from the Sudoroom Collective.
> >
> > I've mentioned before how I think it would be neat to have noisebridge at
> > 50,000 people, complete with people powered consensus.  I've also
> mentioned
> > the possibilities of leveraging land trusts in the bay area to make
> buying
> > out whole buildings a possibility.
> >
> > Right now, sudoroom hackerspace and their sister space Bay Area Public
> > School are planning a move into the Omni -- a 3 story building in the
> > Temescal district of Oakland.  They are planning a massive move in with a
> > bunch of open community collectives including a hacker spa/massage
> > collective, an anarchist coffee / bookstore worker owned collective, food
> > not bombs using the industrial sized kitchen downstairs, a feminist
> dancer
> > collective, a biohacking space called Counter Culture Labs, and a bunch
> > more projects -- all largely collectively driven. You can find out more
> on
> > their wiki at http://wiki.omni-oakland.org - the goal is to eventually
> buy
> > the building and put it into a community land trust.
> >
> > Why don't we have this in San Francisco?  I'm putting this meme out there
> > -- we have enough energy and projects in our collective visions where we
> > could really make something world changing.  Imagine a giant hackerspace
> > combined with kitchen incubators and sensory deprivation tanks.  We could
> > design around the current kitchen conflicts from the ground up and we
> could
> > be an instigator for lulz and counter culture on a mass scale in San
> > Francisco.  I suggest that we think about the Transamerica pyramid as a
> > possible base of operations.  We can take over the pyramid and project
> our
> > mind control rays throughout the bay area from the top.
> >
> > Planting the seeds!!!!
> >
> > Love,
> > Praveen
>
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