[Noisebridge-discuss] MongoDB Office Hours

2011PIguppy2011 2011PIguppy2011 at gmail.com
Tue Jul 21 23:53:56 UTC 2015

Praveen I would highly encourage you to make these statements face to face
instead of over the internet.  It's really draining and I would be very
surprised if you felt it was appropriate to speak to someone like that in

On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 4:49 PM, Praveen Sinha <dmhomee at gmail.com> wrote:

> The issues of giving corporate free passes is centrally linked to very
> real gentrification issues, inside and outside noisebridge.
> Inside noisebridge:
>     - we still don't have disabled or elderly accessible environments even
> after years of being here.  Our members with accessibility issues often
> have to go to great struggles to figure out if they can be at the space.
>      - we are still a monolingual environment, with our wiki being english
> only inside a strong bilingual community
> The list can go on about noisebridge and the immediate neighborhood, like
> providing mesh access to the low income in the community.
> Having cash to do such things, beyond worrying about basic rent is of
> immense value.
> And yet we have actors like Jehan privileging free access to a cash heavy
> corporation because they use the AGPL in their product.  It's very
> admirable that a company should do such a thing, but by that logic would
> you invite Oracle in to give demos because Mysql is open source?
> Preposterous.
> Noisebridge is not broken.  Our job is not to attract wealth people from
> far away places like palo alto.  We have value inside our own communities,
> in Noisebridge, in the Mission, that we have to develop and emerge to be
> next cutting edge.
> In so far as politics at noisebridge -- I'm sorry but NB is an explicitly
> political space. We host and talk about issues that are of importance to
> hackers that include digital rights, free internet, and yes gentrification
> and tech class divide in urban areas like the mission district.  If you
> feel differently, I welcome you to shut down Techno Activism Tuesdays and
> the many other projects we've hosted here.
> On Mon, Jul 20, 2015 at 10:55 PM, 2011PIguppy2011 <
> 2011PIguppy2011 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> As far as I am concerned, free office hours are just that. I don't see
>> the point in injecting SF city politics / hot button issues into this and I
>> see it as blatant trolling. Noisebridge is not a political nonprofit.
>> It would be great to have more responsible people in the space at a
>> regular time using it to hack on tech. He said it was open office hours for
>> whoever.
>> On Monday, July 20, 2015, Praveen Sinha <dmhomee at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Mon, Jul 20, 2015 at 8:24 PM, Garrett Smith <dhtmlkitchen at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>> > We usually announce on Twitter that we’ll be available at the venue
>>>> and
>>>> > typically expect about 10 to 12 people to drop in on average. Anyone
>>>> with
>>>> > questions about MongoDB are welcome. I’d like to start the first
>>>> "office
>>>> > hours” Thursday the 23rd, from 4-6 PM.  Do you feel that Noisebridge
>>>> is an
>>>> > appropriate please to host these small meetups?
>>>> >
>>>> I think that it's doocratic in the spirit of Noisebridge. You'll need
>>>> to chec the schedule for room availability of Turing or Church before
>>>> booking your room by editing the wiki.
>>> I vehemently disagree  -- MongoDB is a for profit company that would
>>> otherwise pay top dollar to have real estate to run where it can get
>>> mindshare for other engineers.   While I support noisebridge to support our
>>> own community members to launch their for profit projects (for example,
>>> mitch altman pitching his electronics), it's frankly because of companies
>>> like MongoDB getting a free ride from the city that not only is
>>> Noisebridge's rent going up, but everyone in the neighborhood getting
>>> kicked out as well.
>>> Noisebridge it  /community/ space - so I really have ask, what concrete
>>> value does MongoDB add to this community?   Why not give Microsoft or Apple
>>> free space to develop mindshare in our community?
>>> We may need cash, and once again our non-profit status does not allow us
>>> to have in-kind donations.  But, if you really want to play ball with these
>>> companies, we better make our benefit very tangible and make it *a lot*.
>>> MongoDB would otherwise pay thousands if not tens of thousands to have a
>>> deal somewhere else in the city.  We are a premium spot for it, and we
>>> should make it such that even the poorest and most unconnected of us are
>>> able to benefit from it.
>> --
>> (Sent from cellphone)
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