[Noisebridge-discuss] MongoDB Office Hours

Wed Jul 22 00:43:23 UTC 2015

I'll see you next tuesday!

On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 5:17 PM, Ronald Cotoni <setient at gmail.com> wrote:

> Praveen, first of all hi!  Second, lets take this to a meeting or
> something.  This is not the place for this type of discussion.  This is
> also pretty drama filled right now and is basically a sore spot.  Noise
> bridge is ultimately a maker space and a hacker space.  It is used to
> create amazing things with software, hardware or even non technical
> things.  Yes, there are some politics discussed at noise bridge and we
> welcome all to have rational discussions about all topics, as long as you
> respect those around you and treat them with excellence.   Though that
> happens a lot, that is clearly not our primary focus of making cool things
> and helping people learn to make cool things.
>
> Let's end this discussion and have both you and Bryan come either this
> week (short notice for me and most likely others) or next week and discuss
> this.  We could also plan a time that is not a Tuesday meeting so that we
> do not fill the meeting with this one subject if there is enough interest.
> Do you feel like organizing that Praveen since you seem to have a lot of
> vested interest in this particular subject?  I can help facilitate.
>
> On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 4:55 PM, Jeffrey Carl Faden <jeffreyatw at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I’m pretty sure he would. It’s not that intense, really.
>>
>> Jeffrey
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 4:54 PM, 2011PIguppy2011 <
>> 2011PIguppy2011 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Praveen I would highly encourage you to make these statements face to
>>> face instead of over the internet.  It's really draining and I would be
>>> very surprised if you felt it was appropriate to speak to someone like that
>>> in person.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 4:49 PM, Praveen Sinha <dmhomee at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> The issues of giving corporate free passes is centrally linked to very
>>>> real gentrification issues, inside and outside noisebridge.
>>>>
>>>> Inside noisebridge:
>>>>     - we still don't have disabled or elderly accessible environments
>>>> even after years of being here.  Our members with accessibility issues
>>>> often have to go to great struggles to figure out if they can be at the
>>>> space.
>>>>      - we are still a monolingual environment, with our wiki being
>>>> english only inside a strong bilingual community
>>>>
>>>> The list can go on about noisebridge and the immediate neighborhood,
>>>> like providing mesh access to the low income in the community.
>>>>
>>>> Having cash to do such things, beyond worrying about basic rent is of
>>>> immense value.
>>>>
>>>> And yet we have actors like Jehan privileging free access to a cash
>>>> heavy corporation because they use the AGPL in their product.  It's very
>>>> admirable that a company should do such a thing, but by that logic would
>>>> you invite Oracle in to give demos because Mysql is open source?
>>>> Preposterous.
>>>>
>>>> Noisebridge is not broken.  Our job is not to attract wealth people
>>>> from far away places like palo alto.  We have value inside our own
>>>> communities, in Noisebridge, in the Mission, that we have to develop and
>>>> emerge to be next cutting edge.
>>>>
>>>> In so far as politics at noisebridge -- I'm sorry but NB is an
>>>> explicitly political space. We host and talk about issues that are of
>>>> importance to hackers that include digital rights, free internet, and yes
>>>> gentrification and tech class divide in urban areas like the mission
>>>> district.  If you feel differently, I welcome you to shut down Techno
>>>> Activism Tuesdays and the many other projects we've hosted here.
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Jul 20, 2015 at 10:55 PM, 2011PIguppy2011 <
>>>> 2011PIguppy2011 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> As far as I am concerned, free office hours are just that. I don't see
>>>>> the point in injecting SF city politics / hot button issues into this and I
>>>>> see it as blatant trolling. Noisebridge is not a political nonprofit.
>>>>>
>>>>> It would be great to have more responsible people in the space at a
>>>>> regular time using it to hack on tech. He said it was open office hours for
>>>>> whoever.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Monday, July 20, 2015, Praveen Sinha <dmhomee at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, Jul 20, 2015 at 8:24 PM, Garrett Smith <
>>>>>> dhtmlkitchen at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > We usually announce on Twitter that we’ll be available at the
>>>>>>> venue and
>>>>>>> > typically expect about 10 to 12 people to drop in on average.
>>>>>>> Anyone with
>>>>>>> > questions about MongoDB are welcome. I’d like to start the first
>>>>>>> "office
>>>>>>> > hours” Thursday the 23rd, from 4-6 PM.  Do you feel that
>>>>>>> Noisebridge is an
>>>>>>> > appropriate please to host these small meetups?
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I think that it's doocratic in the spirit of Noisebridge. You'll need
>>>>>>> to chec the schedule for room availability of Turing or Church before
>>>>>>> booking your room by editing the wiki.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I vehemently disagree  -- MongoDB is a for profit company that would
>>>>>> otherwise pay top dollar to have real estate to run where it can get
>>>>>> mindshare for other engineers.   While I support noisebridge to support our
>>>>>> own community members to launch their for profit projects (for example,
>>>>>> mitch altman pitching his electronics), it's frankly because of companies
>>>>>> like MongoDB getting a free ride from the city that not only is
>>>>>> Noisebridge's rent going up, but everyone in the neighborhood getting
>>>>>> kicked out as well.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Noisebridge it  /community/ space - so I really have ask, what
>>>>>> concrete value does MongoDB add to this community?   Why not give Microsoft
>>>>>> or Apple free space to develop mindshare in our community?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We may need cash, and once again our non-profit status does not allow
>>>>>> us to have in-kind donations.  But, if you really want to play ball with
>>>>>> these companies, we better make our benefit very tangible and make it *a
>>>>>> lot*.  MongoDB would otherwise pay thousands if not tens of
>>>>>> thousands to have a deal somewhere else in the city.  We are a premium spot
>>>>>> for it, and we should make it such that even the poorest and most
>>>>>> unconnected of us are able to benefit from it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> (Sent from cellphone)
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
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