[Noisebridge-discuss] Fwd: Re: [tor-talk] Statement by a group of women regarding *Appelbaum*

[Victoria Fierce]

Presumption of innocence is really great for limiting the power of The
State. Not so much for situations where there are few or no witnesses,
and espcially within communities that actively discourage interaction
with and often oppose The State.

On Sat, 2016-06-11 at 16:42 -0300, Cecilia Tanaka wrote:
> Sorry, I didn't know that call Jake a "rapist" was not offensive at
> all!
> Cultural differences, probably.  I apologize for it!  :-)
> 
> Here, in my country, making acusations without proofs and making
> graffitti
> in anyone's house with offensive terms like 'rapist' are crimes,
> because we
> believe in 'presumption of innocence', specially when someone makes
> anonymous accusations and says that don't want to talk about them in
> a
> tribunal.
> 
> Please, search for these informations with some attention.  Now, I
> will be
> quiet or I will harassed here and, probably, expulsed.  Sorry for
> showing
> you that there are several shades of gray between black and white.
> 
> Cecilia
> On Jun 11, 2016 4:27 PM, "John Adams" <jna at retina.net> wrote:
> 
> > I'm sure Brock Turner could also come up with 11 women who would
> > say he's
> > a "Nice Guy." All this letter says is, "He didn't rape us yet." It
> > also
> > calls Leigh and other women liars which is deeply offensive.
> > 
> > One woman standing up and saying something didn't happen doesn't
> > negate
> > the experiences of other women and to dismiss this as a "lynch mob"
> > or
> > "conspiracy" is to dismiss the experiences of the victims.
> > 
> > -j
> > 
> > 
> > On Sat, Jun 11, 2016 at 11:17 AM Cecilia Tanaka <
> > cecilia.tanaka at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > 
> > > Sorry, I can't resist more!  It's stronger than me!  :)
> > > 
> > > Did you all read this statement?  :)
> > > 
> > > Jill Bahring: I Was Not Assaulted by Jacob Appelbaum
> > > 
> > > 
> > > http://gizmodo.com/jill-bahring-i-was-not-assaulted-by-jacob-appe
> > > lbaum-1781684838
> > > 
> > > Quoting 'Mirimir', a voluntary collaborator of Tor Project:
> > > 
> > > "I'd say that conspiracies among Tor Project employees and
> > > volunteers to
> > > force out and humiliate a key employee would be a serious matter,
> > > with
> > > obvious impact on Tor development.  So it's not just Jacob's
> > > behavior that
> > > must be reviewed.  It's also the behavior of the lynch mob.  And
> > > anyone who
> > > behaved dishonestly and/or recklessly in this matter needs to
> > > resign.
> > > There's no place in Tor Project for rapists.  But there's also no
> > > place
> > > there for lynch mobs."
> > > 
> > > Tender kisses!  Sorry for my bad English!  :*
> > > 
> > > Ceci
> > > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> > > From: "Cecilia Tanaka" <cecilia.tanaka at gmail.com>
> > > Date: Jun 11, 2016 3:01 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [tor-talk] Statement by a group of women regarding
> > > *Appelbaum*
> > > To: <tor-talk at lists.torproject.org>
> > > 
> > > Oh, it is so lovely!  The world is really small, as I said times
> > > before!
> > > <3
> > > 
> > > Joana Varon  (not Veron)  is a lovely friend of mine and we both
> > > work
> > > voluntarily in different groups for *women's empowerment* using
> > > technology
> > > in general.
> > > 
> > > I am a bad lawyer and tell lots of bad jokes, but Joana is a
> > > famous
> > > researcher, famous for her intelligence and her work in the
> > > privacy area.
> > > 
> > > I didn't know about this statement, because I am being harassed
> > > for
> > > several "friends" of mine and, just in case, I avoiding contact
> > > with
> > > everybody.  :P
> > > 
> > > Now, my day is much more beautiful and I think I love her even
> > > more,
> > > haha!!  ;)
> > > 
> > > I bcc her in this message and  -  wow!  -  Jo, I do love you! 
> > >  Thank you
> > > for being so fair and rational in all the moments.  You are an
> > > awesome
> > > professional and a gorgeous person.  Thank you for being, my
> > > dear!  :*
> > > 
> > > Have a lovely weekend, shiny happy people!  <3
> > > 
> > > Cecilia, la la la...  Yep, always "cecilying", Jo!  :D
> > > On Jun 11, 2016 2:26 PM, "carlo von lynX" <
> > > lynX at time.to.get.psyced.org>
> > > wrote:
> > > 
> > > > FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE: Saturday 11th June 2016
> > > > 
> > > > We, the undersigned, are a group of women who have been
> > > > friends,
> > > > colleagues, co-workers or partners of Jacob "Jake" Appelbaum
> > > > over many
> > > > years.
> > > > 
> > > > We have decided that we must speak out due to the nature of
> > > > this
> > > > coordinated and one-sided attack on his character and work. It
> > > > has become
> > > > clear the mainstream media are unwilling to fact-check, and
> > > > only too
> > > > willing to persist in spreading uncorroborated and
> > > > unfalsifiable rumor.
> > > > This statement is to give our positive experiences with Jake
> > > > from our
> > > > first-hand, long-term perspectives, over many public and
> > > > private situations.
> > > > 
> > > > We do not claim to know what happened in precise situations
> > > > that we were
> > > > not present for, and we do not want to trivialise and minimise
> > > > any pain
> > > > that may have been caused. But we are observing – beyond the
> > > > allegations,
> > > > that are not for us to comment on specifically – an egregious
> > > > character
> > > > assassination is being played out with numerous defamations
> > > > online and
> > > > offline. This is not how the truth can be determined, or
> > > > justice for anyone
> > > > done, whether law enforcement is to be trusted or not.
> > > > 
> > > > We would like to state that our experiences with Jake are
> > > > different than
> > > > what is often being portrayed. We know Jake to be a kind, loyal
> > > > and
> > > > dedicated person. We do understand Jake can be outspoken and
> > > > provocative
> > > > regarding a number of issues – which can come across as
> > > > offensive –
> > > > however, we have never found Jake to be as is being alleged.
> > > > 
> > > > We are not apologists for any genuine wrongdoing, and as women
> > > > working
> > > > in this community we know that there are struggles around
> > > > sexism. However,
> > > > simple punitivism is not how the human rights that we all
> > > > defend should be
> > > > enforced or framed.
> > > > 
> > > > We believe that an open and evidence-based discussion in this
> > > > situation
> > > > is necessary to allow our community to develop better processes
> > > > to handle
> > > > any allegations. Furiously targeting one person without
> > > > allowing for proper
> > > > fact analysis will never solve the bigger structural problem
> > > > that has been
> > > > highlighted. We should use this moment to grow and make things
> > > > better, not
> > > > destroy the movement and create divisions. We need to create a
> > > > channel for
> > > > discussions on how to make things better.
> > > > 
> > > > We stand in solidarity with Jake against the way this is being
> > > > handled
> > > > and on the side of justice for all, in hope the truth on all
> > > > sides will be
> > > > able to come to light in a rational and constructive manner.
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Renata Avila, Human Rights Lawyer
> > > > Susan Benn, Artist
> > > > Cathleen Berger, Policy Advisor
> > > > Geraldine de Bastion, Policy Expert
> > > > Annegret Falter, Political Scientist
> > > > Marie Gutbub, Journalist
> > > > Sarah Harrison, Journalist
> > > > Christy Lange, Writer
> > > > Isik Mater, Infosec Specialist
> > > > Angela Richter, Theatre Director
> > > > Felicity Ruby, PhD Candidate
> > > > Joana Veron, Lawyer
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > The initial signatories to this statement (named above) have
> > > > opened an
> > > > email address to receive additional
> > > > signatories as well as any other constructive comments.
> > > > 
> > > > Email: dueprocess at riseup.net
> > > > Key ID: 3D1CEF58
> > > > Key Fingerprint: 2A1D 7685 7AF0 ADD5 F3E5 D5B0 748C FAE0 3D1C
> > > > EF58
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/2858953/Statement-Ap
> > > > pelbaum-11-06.pdf
> > > > 
> > > > https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/2858953/Statement-Ap
> > > > pelbaum-11-06.txt
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