[Noisebridge-discuss] Fwd: Re: [tor-talk] Statement by a group of women regarding *Appelbaum*

Andrey Fedorov me at anfedorov.com
Wed Jun 15 02:51:36 UTC 2016

Hep: because this discussion was started by Ceci about Bähring's experience
as a minor victim of the unwanted rumors. I'm sure she didn't want to be
caught up in this stuff as much as anyone.

Also, it's an example of how people can misinterpret and blow things out of
proportion. Many other accounts appear to be of a similar nature —
political gripes that happen in many communities (He networked instead of
working! He "stole" my work!), with just enough juicy bits and
horrific anonymous accusations that emotions flame completely out of

On Tuesday, June 14, 2016, Hep Svadja <hepkitten at gmail.com> wrote:

> Why are we focusing on this one account to the exclusion of all the other
> accounts? OK, this account has been proven false. However there are like 50
> other accounts. Can we not waste any more time pushing this singular
> account as some sort of "get out of all your other sexual assaults free"
> card?
> -Hep
> On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 3:41 PM, Simon C. Ion <ion.simon.c at gmail.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','ion.simon.c at gmail.com');>> wrote:
>> On 06/13/2016 11:30 AM, brianhenderson474 at yahoo.com
>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','brianhenderson474 at yahoo.com');> wrote:
>> > When I said I wasn't going to address her statement, I thought it was
>> > clear I was referring to substance of it...
>> Bähring's statement is the *entirety* of the document, not just the
>> facts of the events of the evening. You took issue with the opinions
>> expressed *after* the recitation of facts, so you addressed (and took
>> issue with) her statement. :)
>> > But she then goes from a description of what happened to pondering that
>> > a bunch of women are lying about being assaulted.
>> > That's ridiculously inappropriate, and she should be ashamed of
>> > telling other women that they're lying about being assaulted.
>> >
>> > Again, by her OWN STATEMENT, these three witnesses did in fact see her
>> > distressed for personal reasons and Jake physically coming on to her
>> > as she desperately tried to find her missing bag. ...
>> >
>> > It's disgusting to take the account from three people who acted
>> > reasonably and appropriately and use it to try and discredit
>> > victims of sexual assault.
>> You should remove the anger/disgust/other-negative-affect from your mind
>> and *carefully* re-read Bähring's statement. Remember that Gizmodo
>> apparently published Tan, Paterson, and Shepard's account of the events
>> without even _bothering_ to speak to the person that the three witnesses
>> identified as a victim.
>> If you had an associate who told a *really* damaging (and *really*
>> juicy) story to a widely-read gossip rag that was based on a
>> *significant* misinterpretation of the events of an evening, wouldn't
>> you be *rather* pissed at both the associate (for going to the gossip
>> rag without speaking to you) and the rag (for failing to speak with you
>> to verify the account before publishing)?
>> If that associate was then _intimately_ involved with the relating and
>> eventual publishing of similar sorts of equally damaging and juicy
>> stories, wouldn't you have reason to question the accuracy of *those*
>> stories?
>> > Without the context she knew, it's easy to see how someone witnessing
>> > this would come to a different conclusion.
>> That element of uncertainty is why Gizmodo should have called her up to
>> verify the account of the events of the evening before publishing the
>> story. It's also why Gizmodo (and anyone else publishing these stories)
>> should question the veracity of information that they've gotten from
>> Tan, Paterson, and/or Shepard... assuming that they haven't yet gotten
>> around to verifying the story they were handed (and maybe have already
>> published).
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