[Noisebridge-discuss] Explore Hubzilla for Noisebridge community site

Mitch Altman maltman23 at hotmail.com
Tue Nov 22 20:37:28 UTC 2016

Hi Andrew,

Thanks for the explanation.



From: Andrew Manning <tamanning at zoho.com>
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2016 5:13:10 PM
To: Mitch Altman
Cc: noisebridge-discuss
Subject: Re: [Noisebridge-discuss] Explore Hubzilla for Noisebridge community site

Yes, I've wanted to create an actual demo hub with a demo account for people to try without registering for a long time now. I completely understand your reluctance.

Hubzilla at its core is a platform for decentralized access control. To draw a contrast, any WordPress or MediaWiki site will let you register users on your website and share information on the site in a controlled way. The problem is that your online identity is trapped on that server and useless on other sites. You either publish things publicly or not at all with people who are not on your site. What's worse, you don't really own your online identity in this case because you can't take it with you if you wish to leave that server.

Hubzilla provides a platform for publishing things (websites, wikis, cloud file storage, social networking style posts/messages, photos, real time chat) privately even with people on completely independent hubs (servers)! It supports something we call nomadic identity, which means that your identity and your connections and permissions are independent of your host hub. You can create clones on multiple hubs to increase resilience against network failures, and even delete your account on your original hub and completely migrate to another hub. The magic is in how seamless this sophisticated technology is.

On a feature and use case level, many of us use Hubzilla as personal cloud file storage and as a social network, as well as for hosting identity aware websites and sharing events. Hubzilla is highly extensible, and there are some cool addons to explore (decentralized chess, anyone?).

The Hubzilla code is hosted on GitHub and published using an MIT license, so it's about as open as it gets.

Anyhow, I just thought some of your hackers would be interested. Feel free to shoot me a message anytime.


P.S. Coincidentally, I posted about your hackerspace on a Hubzilla forum and someone said they just created a Hubzilla instance for their hacker club (https://garoa.club/channel/garoa, https://garoa.net.br/wiki/P%C3%A1gina_principal).

---- On Mon, 21 Nov 2016 14:55:32 -0500Mitch Altman <maltman23 at hotmail.com> wrote ----

Hi Andrew,

Thanks for writing.  Even though it's not easy to describe your project, could you please give it a try?

I just went to the website, and saw that I needed to register to get a demo -- and since I am already weary of creating logins, I'm disinclined to create a new one for something I don't yet know is useful for me.

But, if you can explain what Hubzilla is, and why it is useful for Noisebridge, I may want to go through the time and effort.

Also, if Hubzilla is open source, please let me know (along with what is and is not open source about Hubzilla).  If Hubzilla is open source, then it is more possible that Noisebridge or other hackerspaces will adopt it if you can create a way to easily explain why it is cool for us (and other hackerspaces).




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Subject: [Noisebridge-discuss] Explore Hubzilla for Noisebridge community site

I am a contributor to the Hubzilla<http://hubzilla.org> project, a robust decentralized platform for building connected community sites. It's actually incredibly difficult to summarize Hubzilla in a single sentence, which should be a familiar problem for Noisebridge hackers based on what I've learned about it so far. In any case in a recent message on our community forums<https://lastauth.com/display/a3bd33d463a80c2e9fa4166bb046fd9b03944af7a08c50290f8302e80b71350a@lastauth.com?f=&jsdisabled=0> one of our members said this:

One group that I can think of is NoiseBridge<https://www.noisebridge.net/>. In almost every respect, they are a perfect candidate for Hubzilla. It's a somewhat anarchic group of tinkerers covering a wide array of subjects that cover computer science, av production, 3D Printing, free and open source software, homebrew hardware development, art, music, and much more. Currently, they are reliant on a MediaWiki installation and a handful of mailing lists.

If anything, they would benefit greatly from Hubzilla's stream format, channels, events, and group features. Projects and members within NoiseBridge could operate as channels and federate with the rest of the Free Network. Other hackerspaces may be inclined to follow suit, and some project initiatives may receive exposure for people in other hackerspaces. One such fixture of the physical space of Noisebridge is that they offer a phone line to contact numerous other hackerspaces around the world.
I thought I would reach out and share Hubzilla with your community, since a group of open-source loving hackers would definitely find Hubzilla interesting to learn more about!


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