[Noisebridge-discuss] Noisebridge Meeting 10/17/2017

Revolt revoltrightnow at gmail.com
Sat Oct 21 23:43:20 UTC 2017

John S. are you unwilling to use $400/year from the General Fund for
elevator repairs?  Again, the Noisebridge Consensus Wiki states:

"If a member does not attend a meeting, they are asserting that they
are comfortable with the decisions of those who do choose to attend,
whether or not they agree. "

from: https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Consensus_Process

Refusing to acknowledge proper consensus and trying to block after 3
consecutive meetings which you did not attend is unexcellent behavior.

If you refuse to provide this money for elevator repairs then you
would be mishandling Noisebridge funds and abusing your privileged
role as Treasurer of Noisebridge.

The $200 that DBI is requiring for ADA access /does not/ need to be
spent on the elevator.  There are other ADA issues at Noisebridge that
could use this money.  For starters, you can use it to reimburse Kevin
P. for the caution tape he purchased on Amazon to better mark ADA
access in the space.  I would also like to use it to purchase some
quality ADA signage for the space and possibly do something about the
heavy glass doors always blocking up the entry way.

Here is an example of a good ADA sign with braille:

It would also be nice to use this money to add braille to key places
in the space for those with vision impairments.

Money has not been available for elevator repairs, thus the consensus
proposal. I will make a separate reply to that later.

Also please note, I have had surgery on my hands previously and typing
on these emails on the NB-Discuss is taxing me and is painful.  John
S, would you be open to coming to the NB meeting this Tuesday to
discuss these issues in more detail?


On 10/20/17, John Shutt <john.d.shutt at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Liz,
> I think the initial thing was that the landlord had called for a repair
> after someone being 86’d broke the elevator. That makes sense, since the
> elevator is part of the building and not a part of Noisebridge. It’s their
> legal responsibility, but it’s not clear if we have anything in our lease to
> force them to keep it in good repair. So it’s not clear Noisebridge has paid
> for elevator repairs in the past or just notified the landlord, though I’m
> curious about that.
> Then things dragged out for over a month as the landlord claimed that
> licensed elevator repair people were booked solid. Then they came and said
> they did a repair, but there were still issues with it. So Zach and a few
> other community members did DIY repairs that seem to have it working, though
> people are advised to avoid using it unless they need to.
> I don’t think money is the issue right now since there is money set aside
> for repairs and more on the way, and the first requested parts ordered and
> delivered. I’m waiting for word of additional spending we should make, but
> haven’t gotten anything specific. The issue of whether or not Noisebridge
> should take on some of the landlord’s responsibility to repair the elevator
> was do-ocratically resolved.
> Money is now available in the low hundreds, and soon low thousands, for
> parts and professional maintenance. If expected costs expand to mid
> thousands or high thousands, I think we should figure out exact numbers so
> we can approach the landlord and say we’ll take on your responsibility here
> but need to work out a deal with you to reduce rent. Since no one has a
> specific ask above $40 so far, and those parts have already been ordered and
> are in the space, I don’t think we’re practically constrained by the money
> available.
> Best,
> John
> Sent from my iPhone
>> On Oct 20, 2017, at 1:21 PM, Liz Henry <lizhenry at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi,
>> The elevator seems to have been in bad repair for some time.  I didn't
>> realize there was any particular limit on how much money we spend on
>> elevator repair.
>> Are people not calling elevator repair services because of money concerns?
>>  The last I heard from Mitch and others about this, we have plenty of
>> money.
>> Fixing the elevator shouldn't be an optional part of running Noisebridge.
>> What's the deal here?  Who calls for a repair service, or decides not to,
>> these days?
>> I've been going around for years talking about how NB and other bay area
>> hackerspaces are great about accessibility -- when we first moved spaces,
>> I asked for wheelchair access and really appreciated that people took that
>> seriously.   It has meant that I can recommend the space to others as well
>> as having access myself.   Hope that can continue.
>> Best
>> Liz
>>> On Thu, Oct 19, 2017 at 2:25 PM, John Shutt <john.d.shutt at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> The original consensus proposal doesn’t mention the general fund at all,
>>> so in trying to understand how to actually allocate money, here’s my
>>> interpretation:
>>> 1. $200 in state mandated spending has already been allocated to the
>>> Elevator Repair Fund.
>>> 2. $720 is inbound to the Elevator Repair Fund. This will mean $920 is
>>> allocated specifically to elevator repair.
>>> 3. Matching grants from the Equipment Fund count towards Noisebridge’s
>>> yearly spending on elevator repair.
>>> 4. If the Elevator Repair Fund and/or Equipment Fund are exhausted to the
>>> point that they can’t cover the mandated $400 of elevator repair spending
>>> per year, consensus is that the money should be made available from the
>>> general fund at that point.
>>> This level of detail matters since our spending and bookkeeping is more
>>> complicated than in the past. We have several distinct funds and need to
>>> account for them separately.
>>> Details and running totals can be found at
>>> https://noisebridge.net/finances
>>> If my interpretation of how to account for the elevator repair fund seems
>>> off to anyone, let’s talk about it and figure it out.
>>> John
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> On Oct 19, 2017, at 2:04 PM, kprichard <kprichard at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Hi John,
>>>> I am only aware of the 2017-10-10 meeting notes writeup-
>>>> https://noisebridge.net/wiki/Meeting_Notes_2017_10_10#Elevator_Repair_Fund
>>>> Others may be aware of another version.
>>>> Kevin
>>>>> On Thu, Oct 19, 2017 at 1:51 PM, John Shutt <john.d.shutt at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>> Can someone link to the actual text of the consensus proposal?
>>>>> John
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>> On Oct 19, 2017, at 1:32 PM, kprichard <kprichard at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Greetings, NB-
>>>>>> A meeting has occurred.
>>>>>> Most notable, Zach's consensus item proposal from last week, of
>>>>>> creating a set-aside for elevator repair from the general fund, was
>>>>>> read again and has gone into effect without objection.
>>>>>> Meeting Summary-
>>>>>>   *   Announcements: 2017-10-30: Google "Playcrafting" game dev expo;
>>>>>> ADA compliance floor markings added; City College is adding maker
>>>>>> spaces
>>>>>>   *   Finances: we have 9 months rent in the bank
>>>>>>   *   New members: open apps: Nicole (3rd week), Merlin (4th week;
>>>>>> deferred: not present)
>>>>>>   *   New philanthropists: open apps: Kelly A (1st week)
>>>>>>   *   Consensus Items: Zach's proposal to allocate general funds for
>>>>>> elevator repair was consensed ($400 to start)
>>>>>>   *   Discussion Items: (none)
>>>>>> https://noisebridge.net/wiki/Meeting_Notes_2017_10_17
>>>>>> -Kevin
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