[Noisebridge-discuss] ADA Access for the future Noisebridge
jim
jim at well.com
Wed Feb 28 03:34:29 UTC 2018
what evidence is there for parties not allied...?
On 02/28/2018 02:11 AM, kprichard wrote:
> We've begun posting notes, photos and documents up on a sharing
> service. We'll start distributing those internally in the next 24 hours.
>
> In the interest of protecting our search from parties not allied to
> our mission, we should find a non-public means for having an
> accessible, threaded conversation -like an internal mailing list.
>
> Kevin
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 27, 2018 at 5:38 PM, jarrod hicks <hicksu at gmail.com
> <mailto:hicksu at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> I think people outside of our Slack are effectively excluded from
> full participation in our location searching, since that is where
> the collaboration is being done. We aren't having new-space
> meetings and updates regarding the search aren't really going out
> to the discussion list or wiki. (I've certainly failed in this
> regard) I think the last new space meeting was in December and it
> was Kevin who put the notes on discuss.
>
> It may help us move forward better as a whole if we get more of
> the new space discussion here instead of on, or in addition to, Slack.
>
> We could start individual threads for the promising locations or
> other discussion threads using a somewhat standard subject line
> like: " - address or subject" for easy searching and filtering
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 27, 2018 at 4:05 PM, kprichard <kprichard at gmail.com
> <mailto:kprichard at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Hi Zach,
>
> *_"Is equal access for all a fundamental part of Noisebridge's
> mission?"_*
>
>
> It is! Nobody should be prevented from coming to Noisebridge
> because of disability. Accessibilty is one of the top criteria
> when we talk about when a space is being presented.
>
> In the nearly eight years since Noisebridge moved into 2169#3,
> market rents have literally quadrupled. Imagine a Noisebridge
> where we're paying four times our current rent, Zach.
>
> Philanthropist & membership dues would be $320, not $80! That
> would leave Noisebridge inaccessible to most, if not all.
> (That's more than double TechShop's old rates, without all
> their equipment.)
>
> To deal with that, we expanded our search to include spaces
> that are not *currently* ADA accessible, because-
> a) they fit our extremely limited size/location/price nexus
> (being only 2-2.5 times more money), AND
> b) we feel there's a good chance those spaces can be upgraded
> to accomodate everyone.
>
> Note that I said "not currently ADA accessible." Of the two
> spaces on the table today, one is at least 90% compatible (and
> easily brought up to 100%), and the other has a big hurdle
> (stairs) which the landlord might be willing to help us
> overcome (I am waiting on an answer). And remember that we
> have talented people with architecture and construction skills
> in our membership.
>
> *"I know finding an accessible space is going to be really,
> really hard.I do ask that people really try though.That
> includes educating ourselves around access and including
> disabled people in the search and in the conversation."
> *
> A perfect space meeting Noisebridge's accessibility, size,
> price, location needs will not just fall into our laps. You
> can help Noisebridge by joining the hunt and finding some
> spaces which fits our needs.
>
> Try loopnet.com <http://loopnet.com> and sfbay.craigslist.org
> <http://sfbay.craigslist.org>, those seem to be the two main
> services where industrial and flex properties get listed. Our
> current criteria-
>
> 1. Accessibility: ground floor with wide doors, accessible
> bathrooms, and/or an elevator if not ground or if multi-floor
> (or potential to be made accessible)
> 2. Price: the current rent is around $9.50/sqft/year, and we'd
> like to keep it under $24/yr
> 3. Location: consensus is to be within 10-15 minutes of BART
> and major bus lines (that excludes Dogpatch, Bayview, Hunters
> Point etc)
> 4. Size: 4,000 square feet, or more
>
> When you prioritize all four criteria equally, the number of
> vacant spaces falls to zero. If we expand the search to spaces
> that we or the landlord can modify for accessibility, we get a
> handful. Or, at least we *did* get a handful, but now the
> market appears to have dried up. Prices are rising, and
> vacancies are vanishing as tech firms continue to flood San
> Francisco. That's why the two spaces on the table are not perfect.
>
> Call brokers and ask if they know about spaces meeting our
> criteria! The more people who are involved in the hunt, the
> more chances we have at surviving this fall.
>
> We're on your side, man! Join us in the search! Don't fight
> your fellow Noisebridgers -- fight NB's impending doom at the
> hands of the most nefarious villain of all, The Market. :)
>
> Best,
> Kevin
>
> On Tue, Feb 27, 2018 at 3:09 PM, Zach R
> <organicunity at hotmail.com <mailto:organicunity at hotmail.com>>
> wrote:
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> It was recently brought to my attention that the
> search for a new Noisebridge home has included many
> (perhaps solely) inaccessible places.Meaning, the future
> Noisebridge would not allow me, or anyone else in a
> wheelchair, walker, etc. to enter.This would eliminate me
> from being part of the community entirely.
>
> Now, I know the search for a new place is very rough,
> rents are exorbitant, and I would not want to stand in the
> way of Noisebridge continuing to exist.But I think there
> needs to be a huge shift in the effort being put towards
> finding accessible spaces.I have some ideas listed
> below.But first, I want to pose a question to the
> community because I get different answers / opinions from
> different people:
>
> /_
> _/
>
> *_Is equal access for all a fundamental part of
> Noisebridge's mission?_*
>
> I don't know the answer to that question, but I think it
> is a good one to talk about among the community.
>
> Now, as far as an actual sincere effort to searching for
> an accessible space.Here are some suggestions:
>
> * *Include disabled people in this conversation and ask
> them about their needs* -this is very important.Please
> don't assume what people's needs are.Please include
> some disabled people in the closed-circle Noisebridge
> building search.
>
> * Call and ask the landlord exactly what accessibility
> looks like.How many steps are there?What is the size
> of the door, gate, etc?How narrow / wide are hallways
> and entry areas?Is there a large single-occupancy
> bathroom? What is the slope of the entry way?Is there
> a working elevator?Relay this information to disabled
> members for feedback and input /_before_/ going to a
> space, taking pictures, and getting really attached to it.
>
> * Reach out to organizations and do an internet search
> for accessibility options, and laws around
> construction and such.You, yes, /you/ can actually
> step up to do some of this research.Call:
>
> /Senior Disability Action (https://sdaction.org/(415)
> 546-1333 <tel:%28415%29%20546-1333>)/
>
> /ILRC (https://www.ilrcsf.org/ (415) 543-6222
> <tel:%28415%29%20543-6222>)/
>
> or similar places to ask for advice.
>
> I want to be clear that I don't expect to be a part of
> Noisebridge come August.I know finding an accessible space
> is going to be really, really hard.I do ask that people
> really try though.That includes educating ourselves around
> access and including disabled people in the search and in
> the conversation.
>
> I plan on attending the meeting tonight (which hopefully
> happens) in case anyone wants to discuss this stuff with
> me.I do ask however, that you do not vent your
> frustrations on me.I do not want to be the scapegoat for
> San Francisco's problems with ADA access and high rents.As
> the most active wheelchair-using member of Noisebridge I
> have had to work overtime educating people about access,
> ableism, and advocating for myself.It's exhausting.I am
> just trying to be a part of the community and I hope
> everyone can understand and respect that.
>
>
> Thanks for reading this and taking the time to care about
> these issues. I look forward to our conversation and
> growth as a community together.
>
> -Zach
>
>
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