[Noisebridge-discuss] Reasons we ask ppl to leave

[Trent Robbins]

Sure, I can do my best to try to explain my viewpoint.

I think I would have left off the phrasing at the beginning of the sentence
with the "we" and "you" language: *"Y’all realize... we actually installed"*

Since you asked for a rephrase, I'm happy to oblige:
"The original purpose of the chrome machines was as a public service for
no-questions-asked surveillance-free internet usage for anyone."


When I read the original message from you, I feel like it's really loaded
with implication that things are deviating from their "intended permanent
course" from past contributors who no longer participate.

As I understand it, in 2013, there was a big issue with "governance from
afar" and "swooping in from Berlin" that made it difficult to remove the
"old way of doing things".  It's great that we have moved beyond that and
are able to do-ocratically (adhocratically) sweep away the old.

The people who I know that come to Noisebridge are really thoughtful
participants and seek to create a place that is both useful and fun, and
that follows the principles of do-ocracy and consensus.


Trent



On Mon, Sep 24, 2018 at 11:50 AM Naomi Most <pnaomi at gmail.com> wrote:

> Ok, can you instruct me on how to rephrase my question such that it
> doesn’t read as “us versus them” to you?
>
> Sent from my pocket Apple IIe
>
> On Sep 22, 2018, at 1:40 AM, Trent Robbins <robbintt at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Is this to say that people at Noisebridge have been asked to leave just
> for being seen to be on Chromebooks all day long?
>
> I don't have any memory of this coming up in the last four years.  Once I
> applied Mitch's principle "that the person both contribute to and benefit
> from the community" to someone that camped on the chrome stations about 12
> hours a day for a few months. I asked the person if they had any plans to
> work on projects. They became very angry at me and I asked them to leave.
> They became even more incredulous and irate, so I asked them to not come
> back.  They were not 86'd because there was no concern that they would come
> back.
>
> > Y’all realize... we actually installed those things as a public service
> for no-questions-asked surveillance-free internet usage for anyone...
> right?
>
> The "you" and "we" here is palpable. Noisebridge is living art.  The
> organizational meme is propagated by the people who are at Noisebridge.
> The kiosks provide the valuable service as you describe it every day.
>
>
> Hats off to all those who have done the hard work of showing up and
> working on Noisebridge for the past 11 years.
>
> It's an amazing place full of kind people who listen carefully.
>
>
> Trent
>
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 21, 2018 at 5:53 PM Naomi Most <pnaomi at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Are you sure you’re replying to what I asked?
>>
>> Sent from my pocket Apple IIe
>>
>> > On Sep 21, 2018, at 5:42 PM, Matt Arcidy <marcidy at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > If an abuse of the safe-space policy occurs, a review ex-post facto
>> > would result in a ban of the abuser and reinstatement of the accused.
>> > Mediation available on request as resources allow.
>> >
>> >> On Fri, Sep 21, 2018 at 5:26 PM Naomi Most <pnaomi at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Is this to say that people at Noisebridge have been asked to leave
>> just for being seen to be on Chromebooks all day long?
>> >>
>> >> Y’all realize... we actually installed those things as a public
>> service for no-questions-asked surveillance-free internet usage for
>> anyone... right?
>> >>
>> >> Sent from my pocket Apple IIe
>> >>
>> >>> On Sep 21, 2018, at 3:10 PM, Matt Arcidy <marcidy at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>
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