<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif">I stopped coming to offer my service in my reticent listening to people in crisis because of no elevator. Is there a search committee for a NB space without elevator problems. Character helps many move in a common direction. We may start in many directions  but it is important to recognize that there are people who just have been closed out. Are those who cannot walk up steps be tossed aside? <br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif">How to get the landlord to behave better?</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif">Thanks, ilsa<br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div><div class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><font color="#ffffff"><font color="#ff0000">Ilsa Bartlett</font></font><div><font color="#ffffff"><font color="#ff0000"><font color="#3333ff">Institute for Rewiring the System</font></font></font><br><a href="http://ilsabartlett.wordpress.com/" target="_blank">http://ilsabartlett.wordpress.com</a><br></div><div><a href="http://www.google.com/profiles/ilsa.bartlett" target="_blank">http://www.google.com/profiles/ilsa.bartlett</a><br><a href="http://www.hotlux.com/angel.htm" target="_blank">www.hotlux.com/angel</a><br><br>"Don't ever get so big or important that you can not hear and listen to every other person."<br>-John Coltrane</div></div></div></div>
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   1. Re: Noisebridge Meeting 10/10/2017 (John Shutt)<br>
   2. Re: Noisebridge Meeting 10/10/2017 (Trent Robbins)<br>
   3. Re: Noisebridge Meeting 10/10/2017 (jim)<br>
   4. Re: Noisebridge Meeting 10/10/2017 (Trent Robbins)<br>
   5. Re: Noisebridge Meeting 10/10/2017 (John Shutt)<br>
   6. Re: Noisebridge Meeting 10/10/2017 (jim)<br>
   7. Re: Noisebridge Meeting 10/10/2017 (Revolt)<br>
   8. Re: Noisebridge Meeting 10/10/2017 (jim)<br>
   9. Re: Noisebridge Meeting 10/10/2017 (kprichard)<br>
  10. Re: Noisebridge Meeting 10/10/2017 (John Shutt)<br>
  11. Re: Noisebridge Meeting 10/10/2017 (John Shutt)<br>
  12. Re: Noisebridge Meeting 10/10/2017 (Zach R)<br>
  13. Re: Noisebridge Meeting 10/10/2017 (kprichard)<br>
  14. Re: Noisebridge Meeting 10/10/2017 (<a href="mailto:frankbn@nym.hush.com">frankbn@nym.hush.com</a>)<br>
<br><br>---------- Forwarded message ----------<br>From: John Shutt <<a href="mailto:john.d.shutt@gmail.com">john.d.shutt@gmail.com</a>><br>To: Zach R <<a href="mailto:organicunity@hotmail.com">organicunity@hotmail.com</a>><br>Cc: "<a href="mailto:noisebridge-discuss@lists.noisebridge.net">noisebridge-discuss@lists.noisebridge.net</a>" <<a href="mailto:noisebridge-discuss@lists.noisebridge.net">noisebridge-discuss@lists.noisebridge.net</a>><br>Bcc: <br>Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2017 11:33:37 -0700<br>Subject: Re: [Noisebridge-discuss] Noisebridge Meeting 10/10/2017<br>X-post from #finance-wg on Slack:<br>
<br>
I would support spending a certain amount of money for parts for the elevator, but share others' concerns about anyone getting paid for their time from the Noisebridge bank account. There are lots of critical tasks in addition to fixing the elevator: managing finances, cleaning trash, running the access control and server systems, leading tours, 86-ing hazardous people, etc. We can't pay for all of the work that needs to be done to keep the space running. Legally it's the landlord's responsibility to keep the elevator working, but they've done a very poor job and I recognize that DIY fixes will be faster. Even though we're spending money on a building we don't own, it's worth it to make the space accessible. As for a separate elevator fund, I think it would be best if there was a separate fundraising push or donation to make it happen, which was the case with the broadcast fund and equipment fund, but if it's less than $400 per year for parts I don't think spending from the general fund is a big deal.<br>
<br>
Adding to the Slack post: I don't think $400 should necessarily be a cap on our budget for parts for the elevator, if it needs more than that. And I would encourage anyone interested in doing so to look into whether we can legally pay a licensed professional to fix the elevator and deduct the cost from our rent to the landlord.<br>
<br>
I also think it would be excellent for people to donate money to Zach through PayPal for his work on the elevator, outside of Noisebridge funds. I donated what I could, which is unfortunately not much right now. I'm all for people being paid for their work, but know that Noisebridge itself can't afford to pay for all the critical work that has to be done to keep the space operating.<br>
<br>
John<br>
<br>
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> On Oct 11, 2017, at 3:14 AM, Zach R <<a href="mailto:organicunity@hotmail.com">organicunity@hotmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
><br>
> Thanks for the meeting notes and facilitation Naomi.<br>
><br>
> Here is a follow-up email as requested.  I brought this item up as a "small-c" item 2 weeks ago at the Noisebridge meeting.  I was told if nothing was done in 2 weeks that I should bring it up as a formal consensus item.  So here it is. The proposed consensus item is as follows:<br>
><br>
> I request that we establish an Elevator Repair Fund at Noisebridge.  This fund could be as modest or ambitious as people like, but I believe a minimum of $400 per annual year would do a great deal to benefit the space.<br>
><br>
> The elevator is necessary for those that use Noisebridge with mobility aids (such as wheelchairs), for people with non-visible disabilities (elderly, diabetes, MS, fibro, etc.), for incoming large furniture and donations, and for taking out the regular trash.<br>
><br>
> As many know, the elevator was broken for a full 2 months recently.  Unlike broken tools or equipment, this made the space completely inaccessible for members in the community.  I think it would be most excellent to prevent this in the future by establishing a modest fund whereby we could hire people, obtain necessary parts and supplies, and keep this "must need" basic access to the space.<br>
><br>
> Note: the elevator still needs a lot of work to be fully safe and operational.  There is machine work to fix the broken front gate, a missing call light downstairs, a call box repair, floor switch detection issues, and other things all documented on the elevator wiki.<br>
><br>
> Looking forward to hearing input from the community.  Hopefully we can all agree that this would be a positive benefit to Noisebridge.<br>
> .<br>
> -Zach<br>
><br>
><br>
> ______________________________<wbr>__________<br>
> From: <a href="mailto:noisebridge-discuss-bounces@lists.noisebridge.net">noisebridge-discuss-bounces@<wbr>lists.noisebridge.net</a> [<a href="mailto:noisebridge-discuss-bounces@lists.noisebridge.net">noisebridge-discuss-bounces@<wbr>lists.noisebridge.net</a>] on behalf of Naomi Most [<a href="mailto:pnaomi@gmail.com">pnaomi@gmail.com</a>]<br>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2017 10:02 PM<br>
> To: Noisebridge Discuss<br>
> Subject: [Noisebridge-discuss] Noisebridge Meeting 10/10/2017<br>
><br>
> Greetings, NB(D),<br>
><br>
> A meeting occurred!<br>
><br>
> Notably, we have a Real Live Consensus Item from Zach concerning the idea of setting up an officially set-aside Elevator Repair Fund.<br>
><br>
> The argument revolves around the idea that the Elevator is a "must have" whereas stuff in the general equipment fund usually falls into the category of "it would be cool if".<br>
><br>
> Zach should post a followup to this email to make his proposal more concrete.<br>
><br>
> <a href="https://noisebridge.net/wiki/Meeting_Notes_2017_10_10" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://noisebridge.net/wiki/<wbr>Meeting_Notes_2017_10_10</a><br>
><br>
><br>
> TLDR what happened at the meeting:<br>
><br>
> *   Announcements: Haskell Class starting Oct 18th (every 1st and 3rd Wednesday). Cryptobuilders workshop every 2nd and 4th Wednesday.<br>
> *   Finances: ???<br>
> *   New members: nope but we should contact Merlin and let her know she's at 4 weeks!<br>
> *   New philanthropists: nope<br>
> *   Consensus Items: Elevator Repair Fund<br>
> *   Discussion Items: people lost interest and went to the Internet Archive at this point.<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> --<br>
> Naomi Theora Most<br>
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<br><br>---------- Forwarded message ----------<br>From: Trent Robbins <<a href="mailto:robbintt@gmail.com">robbintt@gmail.com</a>><br>To: John Shutt <<a href="mailto:john.d.shutt@gmail.com">john.d.shutt@gmail.com</a>><br>Cc: "<a href="mailto:noisebridge-discuss@lists.noisebridge.net">noisebridge-discuss@lists.noisebridge.net</a>" <<a href="mailto:noisebridge-discuss@lists.noisebridge.net">noisebridge-discuss@lists.noisebridge.net</a>><br>Bcc: <br>Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2017 12:06:14 -0700<br>Subject: Re: [Noisebridge-discuss] Noisebridge Meeting 10/10/2017<br><div dir="ltr">I feel that paying people for work they do on Noisebridge infrastructure runs counter to what Noisebridge is.<div><br></div><div>I wanted to write something complex but this webpage has a far better collection of thoughts than I could come up with on my own: <a href="https://communitywiki.org/wiki/DoOcracy" target="_blank">https://communitywiki.<wbr>org/wiki/DoOcracy</a><br><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div><div class="m_-5453586069538562385gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div style="font-family:arial;font-size:small">Trent</div><div style="font-family:arial;font-size:small"><br></div><div style="font-family:arial;font-size:small"><br></div><div style="font-family:arial;font-size:small"><br></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 11:33 AM, John Shutt <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:john.d.shutt@gmail.com" target="_blank">john.d.shutt@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">X-post from #finance-wg on Slack:<br>
<br>
I would support spending a certain amount of money for parts for the elevator, but share others' concerns about anyone getting paid for their time from the Noisebridge bank account. There are lots of critical tasks in addition to fixing the elevator: managing finances, cleaning trash, running the access control and server systems, leading tours, 86-ing hazardous people, etc. We can't pay for all of the work that needs to be done to keep the space running. Legally it's the landlord's responsibility to keep the elevator working, but they've done a very poor job and I recognize that DIY fixes will be faster. Even though we're spending money on a building we don't own, it's worth it to make the space accessible. As for a separate elevator fund, I think it would be best if there was a separate fundraising push or donation to make it happen, which was the case with the broadcast fund and equipment fund, but if it's less than $400 per year for parts I don't think spending from the general f<br>
 und is a big deal.<br>
<br>
Adding to the Slack post: I don't think $400 should necessarily be a cap on our budget for parts for the elevator, if it needs more than that. And I would encourage anyone interested in doing so to look into whether we can legally pay a licensed professional to fix the elevator and deduct the cost from our rent to the landlord.<br>
<br>
I also think it would be excellent for people to donate money to Zach through PayPal for his work on the elevator, outside of Noisebridge funds. I donated what I could, which is unfortunately not much right now. I'm all for people being paid for their work, but know that Noisebridge itself can't afford to pay for all the critical work that has to be done to keep the space operating.<br>
<br>
John<br>
<br>
Sent from my iPhone<br>
<div class="m_-5453586069538562385gmail-HOEnZb"><div class="m_-5453586069538562385gmail-h5"><br>
> On Oct 11, 2017, at 3:14 AM, Zach R <<a href="mailto:organicunity@hotmail.com" target="_blank">organicunity@hotmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
><br>
> Thanks for the meeting notes and facilitation Naomi.<br>
><br>
> Here is a follow-up email as requested.  I brought this item up as a "small-c" item 2 weeks ago at the Noisebridge meeting.  I was told if nothing was done in 2 weeks that I should bring it up as a formal consensus item.  So here it is. The proposed consensus item is as follows:<br>
><br>
> I request that we establish an Elevator Repair Fund at Noisebridge.  This fund could be as modest or ambitious as people like, but I believe a minimum of $400 per annual year would do a great deal to benefit the space.<br>
><br>
> The elevator is necessary for those that use Noisebridge with mobility aids (such as wheelchairs), for people with non-visible disabilities (elderly, diabetes, MS, fibro, etc.), for incoming large furniture and donations, and for taking out the regular trash.<br>
><br>
> As many know, the elevator was broken for a full 2 months recently.  Unlike broken tools or equipment, this made the space completely inaccessible for members in the community.  I think it would be most excellent to prevent this in the future by establishing a modest fund whereby we could hire people, obtain necessary parts and supplies, and keep this "must need" basic access to the space.<br>
><br>
> Note: the elevator still needs a lot of work to be fully safe and operational.  There is machine work to fix the broken front gate, a missing call light downstairs, a call box repair, floor switch detection issues, and other things all documented on the elevator wiki.<br>
><br>
> Looking forward to hearing input from the community.  Hopefully we can all agree that this would be a positive benefit to Noisebridge.<br>
> .<br>
> -Zach<br>
><br>
><br>
> ______________________________<wbr>__________<br>
> From: <a href="mailto:noisebridge-discuss-bounces@lists.noisebridge.net" target="_blank">noisebridge-discuss-bounces@li<wbr>sts.noisebridge.net</a> [<a href="mailto:noisebridge-discuss-bounces@lists.noisebridge.net" target="_blank">noisebridge-discuss-bounces@l<wbr>ists.noisebridge.net</a>] on behalf of Naomi Most [<a href="mailto:pnaomi@gmail.com" target="_blank">pnaomi@gmail.com</a>]<br>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2017 10:02 PM<br>
> To: Noisebridge Discuss<br>
> Subject: [Noisebridge-discuss] Noisebridge Meeting 10/10/2017<br>
><br>
> Greetings, NB(D),<br>
><br>
> A meeting occurred!<br>
><br>
> Notably, we have a Real Live Consensus Item from Zach concerning the idea of setting up an officially set-aside Elevator Repair Fund.<br>
><br>
> The argument revolves around the idea that the Elevator is a "must have" whereas stuff in the general equipment fund usually falls into the category of "it would be cool if".<br>
><br>
> Zach should post a followup to this email to make his proposal more concrete.<br>
><br>
> <a href="https://noisebridge.net/wiki/Meeting_Notes_2017_10_10" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://noisebridge.net/wiki/M<wbr>eeting_Notes_2017_10_10</a><br>
><br>
><br>
> TLDR what happened at the meeting:<br>
><br>
> *   Announcements: Haskell Class starting Oct 18th (every 1st and 3rd Wednesday). Cryptobuilders workshop every 2nd and 4th Wednesday.<br>
> *   Finances: ???<br>
> *   New members: nope but we should contact Merlin and let her know she's at 4 weeks!<br>
> *   New philanthropists: nope<br>
> *   Consensus Items: Elevator Repair Fund<br>
> *   Discussion Items: people lost interest and went to the Internet Archive at this point.<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> --<br>
> Naomi Theora Most<br>
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<br><br>---------- Forwarded message ----------<br>From: jim <<a href="mailto:jim@well.com">jim@well.com</a>><br>To: <a href="mailto:noisebridge-discuss@lists.noisebridge.net">noisebridge-discuss@lists.noisebridge.net</a><br>Cc: <br>Bcc: <br>Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2017 19:45:11 +0000<br>Subject: Re: [Noisebridge-discuss] Noisebridge Meeting 10/10/2017<br>
  
    
  
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        Noisebridge infrastructure runs counter to what Noisebridge is.
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            <div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 11:33 AM,
              John Shutt <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:john.d.shutt@gmail.com" target="_blank">john.d.shutt@gmail.com</a>></span>
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                I would support spending a certain amount of money for
                parts for the elevator, but share others' concerns about
                anyone getting paid for their time from the Noisebridge
                bank account. There are lots of critical tasks in
                addition to fixing the elevator: managing finances,
                cleaning trash, running the access control and server
                systems, leading tours, 86-ing hazardous people, etc. We
                can't pay for all of the work that needs to be done to
                keep the space running. Legally it's the landlord's
                responsibility to keep the elevator working, but they've
                done a very poor job and I recognize that DIY fixes will
                be faster. Even though we're spending money on a
                building we don't own, it's worth it to make the space
                accessible. As for a separate elevator fund, I think it
                would be best if there was a separate fundraising push
                or donation to make it happen, which was the case with
                the broadcast fund and equipment fund, but if it's less
                than $400 per year for parts I don't think spending from
                the general f<br>
                 und is a big deal.<br>
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                Adding to the Slack post: I don't think $400 should
                necessarily be a cap on our budget for parts for the
                elevator, if it needs more than that. And I would
                encourage anyone interested in doing so to look into
                whether we can legally pay a licensed professional to
                fix the elevator and deduct the cost from our rent to
                the landlord.<br>
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                I also think it would be excellent for people to donate
                money to Zach through PayPal for his work on the
                elevator, outside of Noisebridge funds. I donated what I
                could, which is unfortunately not much right now. I'm
                all for people being paid for their work, but know that
                Noisebridge itself can't afford to pay for all the
                critical work that has to be done to keep the space
                operating.<br>
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                    > On Oct 11, 2017, at 3:14 AM, Zach R <<a href="mailto:organicunity@hotmail.com" target="_blank">organicunity@hotmail.com</a>>
                    wrote:<br>
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                    > Thanks for the meeting notes and facilitation
                    Naomi.<br>
                    ><br>
                    > Here is a follow-up email as requested.  I
                    brought this item up as a "small-c" item 2 weeks ago
                    at the Noisebridge meeting.  I was told if nothing
                    was done in 2 weeks that I should bring it up as a
                    formal consensus item.  So here it is. The proposed
                    consensus item is as follows:<br>
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                    > I request that we establish an Elevator Repair
                    Fund at Noisebridge.  This fund could be as modest
                    or ambitious as people like, but I believe a minimum
                    of $400 per annual year would do a great deal to
                    benefit the space.<br>
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                    > The elevator is necessary for those that use
                    Noisebridge with mobility aids (such as
                    wheelchairs), for people with non-visible
                    disabilities (elderly, diabetes, MS, fibro, etc.),
                    for incoming large furniture and donations, and for
                    taking out the regular trash.<br>
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                    > As many know, the elevator was broken for a
                    full 2 months recently.  Unlike broken tools or
                    equipment, this made the space completely
                    inaccessible for members in the community.  I think
                    it would be most excellent to prevent this in the
                    future by establishing a modest fund whereby we
                    could hire people, obtain necessary parts and
                    supplies, and keep this "must need" basic access to
                    the space.<br>
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                    > Note: the elevator still needs a lot of work to
                    be fully safe and operational.  There is machine
                    work to fix the broken front gate, a missing call
                    light downstairs, a call box repair, floor switch
                    detection issues, and other things all documented on
                    the elevator wiki.<br>
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                    > Looking forward to hearing input from the
                    community.  Hopefully we can all agree that this
                    would be a positive benefit to Noisebridge.<br>
                    > .<br>
                    > -Zach<br>
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                    > From: <a href="mailto:noisebridge-discuss-bounces@lists.noisebridge.net" target="_blank">noisebridge-discuss-bounces@li<wbr>sts.noisebridge.net</a>
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                    on behalf of Naomi Most [<a href="mailto:pnaomi@gmail.com" target="_blank">pnaomi@gmail.com</a>]<br>
                    > Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2017 10:02 PM<br>
                    > To: Noisebridge Discuss<br>
                    > Subject: [Noisebridge-discuss] Noisebridge
                    Meeting 10/10/2017<br>
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                    > Greetings, NB(D),<br>
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                    > A meeting occurred!<br>
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                    > Notably, we have a Real Live Consensus Item
                    from Zach concerning the idea of setting up an
                    officially set-aside Elevator Repair Fund.<br>
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                    > The argument revolves around the idea that the
                    Elevator is a "must have" whereas stuff in the
                    general equipment fund usually falls into the
                    category of "it would be cool if".<br>
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                    > Zach should post a followup to this email to
                    make his proposal more concrete.<br>
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                    > <a href="https://noisebridge.net/wiki/Meeting_Notes_2017_10_10" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://noisebridge.net/wiki/M<wbr>eeting_Notes_2017_10_10</a><br>
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                    > TLDR what happened at the meeting:<br>
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                    > *   Announcements: Haskell Class starting Oct
                    18th (every 1st and 3rd Wednesday). Cryptobuilders
                    workshop every 2nd and 4th Wednesday.<br>
                    > *   Finances: ???<br>
                    > *   New members: nope but we should contact
                    Merlin and let her know she's at 4 weeks!<br>
                    > *   New philanthropists: nope<br>
                    > *   Consensus Items: Elevator Repair Fund<br>
                    > *   Discussion Items: people lost interest and
                    went to the Internet Archive at this point.<br>
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                    > --<br>
                    > Naomi Theora Most<br>
                    > <a href="mailto:naomi@nthmost.com" target="_blank">naomi@nthmost.com</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:naomi@nthmost.com" target="_blank">naomi<wbr>@nthmost.com</a>><br>
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                    > skype: nthmost<br>
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<br><br>---------- Forwarded message ----------<br>From: Trent Robbins <<a href="mailto:robbintt@gmail.com">robbintt@gmail.com</a>><br>To: jim <<a href="mailto:jim@well.com">jim@well.com</a>><br>Cc: "<a href="mailto:noisebridge-discuss@lists.noisebridge.net">noisebridge-discuss@lists.noisebridge.net</a>" <<a href="mailto:noisebridge-discuss@lists.noisebridge.net">noisebridge-discuss@lists.noisebridge.net</a>><br>Bcc: <br>Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2017 13:03:02 -0700<br>Subject: Re: [Noisebridge-discuss] Noisebridge Meeting 10/10/2017<br><div dir="ltr">With regards to the elevator fund, I think $400 is too low and don't see any need to put a cap on expenses within reasonable expense.  As I mentioned in a previous email I don't support paying individuals for work except if mandated to do so by the state.<div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div><div class="m_-36555479235816692m_2171097125008179066gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div style="font-family:arial;font-size:small">Trent</div></div><div style="font-family:arial;font-size:small"><br></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 12:45 PM, jim <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jim@well.com" target="_blank">jim@well.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
  
    
  
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              John Shutt <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:john.d.shutt@gmail.com" target="_blank">john.d.shutt@gmail.com</a>></span>
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                I would support spending a certain amount of money for
                parts for the elevator, but share others' concerns about
                anyone getting paid for their time from the Noisebridge
                bank account. There are lots of critical tasks in
                addition to fixing the elevator: managing finances,
                cleaning trash, running the access control and server
                systems, leading tours, 86-ing hazardous people, etc. We
                can't pay for all of the work that needs to be done to
                keep the space running. Legally it's the landlord's
                responsibility to keep the elevator working, but they've
                done a very poor job and I recognize that DIY fixes will
                be faster. Even though we're spending money on a
                building we don't own, it's worth it to make the space
                accessible. As for a separate elevator fund, I think it
                would be best if there was a separate fundraising push
                or donation to make it happen, which was the case with
                the broadcast fund and equipment fund, but if it's less
                than $400 per year for parts I don't think spending from
                the general f<br>
                 und is a big deal.<br>
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                Adding to the Slack post: I don't think $400 should
                necessarily be a cap on our budget for parts for the
                elevator, if it needs more than that. And I would
                encourage anyone interested in doing so to look into
                whether we can legally pay a licensed professional to
                fix the elevator and deduct the cost from our rent to
                the landlord.<br>
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                I also think it would be excellent for people to donate
                money to Zach through PayPal for his work on the
                elevator, outside of Noisebridge funds. I donated what I
                could, which is unfortunately not much right now. I'm
                all for people being paid for their work, but know that
                Noisebridge itself can't afford to pay for all the
                critical work that has to be done to keep the space
                operating.<br>
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                John<br>
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                    > Thanks for the meeting notes and facilitation
                    Naomi.<br>
                    ><br>
                    > Here is a follow-up email as requested.  I
                    brought this item up as a "small-c" item 2 weeks ago
                    at the Noisebridge meeting.  I was told if nothing
                    was done in 2 weeks that I should bring it up as a
                    formal consensus item.  So here it is. The proposed
                    consensus item is as follows:<br>
                    ><br>
                    > I request that we establish an Elevator Repair
                    Fund at Noisebridge.  This fund could be as modest
                    or ambitious as people like, but I believe a minimum
                    of $400 per annual year would do a great deal to
                    benefit the space.<br>
                    ><br>
                    > The elevator is necessary for those that use
                    Noisebridge with mobility aids (such as
                    wheelchairs), for people with non-visible
                    disabilities (elderly, diabetes, MS, fibro, etc.),
                    for incoming large furniture and donations, and for
                    taking out the regular trash.<br>
                    ><br>
                    > As many know, the elevator was broken for a
                    full 2 months recently.  Unlike broken tools or
                    equipment, this made the space completely
                    inaccessible for members in the community.  I think
                    it would be most excellent to prevent this in the
                    future by establishing a modest fund whereby we
                    could hire people, obtain necessary parts and
                    supplies, and keep this "must need" basic access to
                    the space.<br>
                    ><br>
                    > Note: the elevator still needs a lot of work to
                    be fully safe and operational.  There is machine
                    work to fix the broken front gate, a missing call
                    light downstairs, a call box repair, floor switch
                    detection issues, and other things all documented on
                    the elevator wiki.<br>
                    ><br>
                    > Looking forward to hearing input from the
                    community.  Hopefully we can all agree that this
                    would be a positive benefit to Noisebridge.<br>
                    > .<br>
                    > -Zach<br>
                    ><br>
                    ><br>
                    > ______________________________<wbr>__________<br>
                    > From: <a href="mailto:noisebridge-discuss-bounces@lists.noisebridge.net" target="_blank">noisebridge-discuss-bounces@li<wbr>sts.noisebridge.net</a>
                    [<a href="mailto:noisebridge-discuss-bounces@lists.noisebridge.net" target="_blank">noisebridge-discuss-bounces@l<wbr>ists.noisebridge.net</a>]
                    on behalf of Naomi Most [<a href="mailto:pnaomi@gmail.com" target="_blank">pnaomi@gmail.com</a>]<br>
                    > Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2017 10:02 PM<br>
                    > To: Noisebridge Discuss<br>
                    > Subject: [Noisebridge-discuss] Noisebridge
                    Meeting 10/10/2017<br>
                    ><br>
                    > Greetings, NB(D),<br>
                    ><br>
                    > A meeting occurred!<br>
                    ><br>
                    > Notably, we have a Real Live Consensus Item
                    from Zach concerning the idea of setting up an
                    officially set-aside Elevator Repair Fund.<br>
                    ><br>
                    > The argument revolves around the idea that the
                    Elevator is a "must have" whereas stuff in the
                    general equipment fund usually falls into the
                    category of "it would be cool if".<br>
                    ><br>
                    > Zach should post a followup to this email to
                    make his proposal more concrete.<br>
                    ><br>
                    > <a href="https://noisebridge.net/wiki/Meeting_Notes_2017_10_10" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://noisebridge.net/wiki/M<wbr>eeting_Notes_2017_10_10</a><br>
                    ><br>
                    ><br>
                    > TLDR what happened at the meeting:<br>
                    ><br>
                    > *   Announcements: Haskell Class starting Oct
                    18th (every 1st and 3rd Wednesday). Cryptobuilders
                    workshop every 2nd and 4th Wednesday.<br>
                    > *   Finances: ???<br>
                    > *   New members: nope but we should contact
                    Merlin and let her know she's at 4 weeks!<br>
                    > *   New philanthropists: nope<br>
                    > *   Consensus Items: Elevator Repair Fund<br>
                    > *   Discussion Items: people lost interest and
                    went to the Internet Archive at this point.<br>
                    ><br>
                    ><br>
                    ><br>
                    > --<br>
                    > Naomi Theora Most<br>
                    > <a href="mailto:naomi@nthmost.com" target="_blank">naomi@nthmost.com</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:naomi@nthmost.com" target="_blank">naomi<wbr>@nthmost.com</a>><br>
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                    ><br>
                    > skype: nthmost<br>
                    ><br>
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<br><br>---------- Forwarded message ----------<br>From: John Shutt <<a href="mailto:john.d.shutt@gmail.com">john.d.shutt@gmail.com</a>><br>To: Trent Robbins <<a href="mailto:robbintt@gmail.com">robbintt@gmail.com</a>><br>Cc: "<a href="mailto:noisebridge-discuss@lists.noisebridge.net">noisebridge-discuss@lists.noisebridge.net</a>" <<a href="mailto:noisebridge-discuss@lists.noisebridge.net">noisebridge-discuss@lists.noisebridge.net</a>><br>Bcc: <br>Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2017 13:42:38 -0700<br>Subject: Re: [Noisebridge-discuss] Noisebridge Meeting 10/10/2017<br><div dir="auto"><div><span></span></div><div><div>I would like to avoid investing thousands more into common area repairs on a building we might get kicked out of when our lease ends next year, so we should be judicious in how we spend general fund money on the elevator. If there's a way to force the landlord to pay, that would be good. If we can pay for it ourselves and deduct the cost from our rent, even better, since the landlord is so slow at fixing the issue.</div><div id="m_3660970285068113739AppleMailSignature"><br></div><div id="m_3660970285068113739AppleMailSignature">We also need to consider our two other options of trying to buy the building, which would mean we can confidently spend as much as needed on the elevator knowing the building is ours, or moving to the Redstone Building, where we may have an offer for a 15,000sqft space at below market rate. The Redstone thing is pretty vague right now, but we have some sense of how much 2169 Mission is worth, and I'm pretty confident we could cover a mortgage if we can get a down payment together and the owner is willing to sell.</div><div id="m_3660970285068113739AppleMailSignature"><br></div><div id="m_3660970285068113739AppleMailSignature">With our lease running out next year, I want to keep growing the general fund cushion, since we may need it to survive.</div><div id="m_3660970285068113739AppleMailSignature"><br></div><div id="m_3660970285068113739AppleMailSignature">John<br><br>Sent from my iPhone</div><div><br>On Oct 12, 2017, at 1:03 PM, Trent Robbins <<a href="mailto:robbintt@gmail.com" target="_blank">robbintt@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div dir="ltr">With regards to the elevator fund, I think $400 is too low and don't see any need to put a cap on expenses within reasonable expense.  As I mentioned in a previous email I don't support paying individuals for work except if mandated to do so by the state.<div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div><div class="m_3660970285068113739m_2171097125008179066gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div style="font-family:arial;font-size:small">Trent</div></div><div style="font-family:arial;font-size:small"><br></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 12:45 PM, jim <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jim@well.com" target="_blank">jim@well.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
  
    
  
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            <div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 11:33 AM,
              John Shutt <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:john.d.shutt@gmail.com" target="_blank">john.d.shutt@gmail.com</a>></span>
              wrote:<br>
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                #finance-wg on Slack:<br>
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                I would support spending a certain amount of money for
                parts for the elevator, but share others' concerns about
                anyone getting paid for their time from the Noisebridge
                bank account. There are lots of critical tasks in
                addition to fixing the elevator: managing finances,
                cleaning trash, running the access control and server
                systems, leading tours, 86-ing hazardous people, etc. We
                can't pay for all of the work that needs to be done to
                keep the space running. Legally it's the landlord's
                responsibility to keep the elevator working, but they've
                done a very poor job and I recognize that DIY fixes will
                be faster. Even though we're spending money on a
                building we don't own, it's worth it to make the space
                accessible. As for a separate elevator fund, I think it
                would be best if there was a separate fundraising push
                or donation to make it happen, which was the case with
                the broadcast fund and equipment fund, but if it's less
                than $400 per year for parts I don't think spending from
                the general f<br>
                 und is a big deal.<br>
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                Adding to the Slack post: I don't think $400 should
                necessarily be a cap on our budget for parts for the
                elevator, if it needs more than that. And I would
                encourage anyone interested in doing so to look into
                whether we can legally pay a licensed professional to
                fix the elevator and deduct the cost from our rent to
                the landlord.<br>
                <br>
                I also think it would be excellent for people to donate
                money to Zach through PayPal for his work on the
                elevator, outside of Noisebridge funds. I donated what I
                could, which is unfortunately not much right now. I'm
                all for people being paid for their work, but know that
                Noisebridge itself can't afford to pay for all the
                critical work that has to be done to keep the space
                operating.<br>
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                John<br>
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                    > On Oct 11, 2017, at 3:14 AM, Zach R <<a href="mailto:organicunity@hotmail.com" target="_blank">organicunity@hotmail.com</a>>
                    wrote:<br>
                    ><br>
                    > Thanks for the meeting notes and facilitation
                    Naomi.<br>
                    ><br>
                    > Here is a follow-up email as requested.  I
                    brought this item up as a "small-c" item 2 weeks ago
                    at the Noisebridge meeting.  I was told if nothing
                    was done in 2 weeks that I should bring it up as a
                    formal consensus item.  So here it is. The proposed
                    consensus item is as follows:<br>
                    ><br>
                    > I request that we establish an Elevator Repair
                    Fund at Noisebridge.  This fund could be as modest
                    or ambitious as people like, but I believe a minimum
                    of $400 per annual year would do a great deal to
                    benefit the space.<br>
                    ><br>
                    > The elevator is necessary for those that use
                    Noisebridge with mobility aids (such as
                    wheelchairs), for people with non-visible
                    disabilities (elderly, diabetes, MS, fibro, etc.),
                    for incoming large furniture and donations, and for
                    taking out the regular trash.<br>
                    ><br>
                    > As many know, the elevator was broken for a
                    full 2 months recently.  Unlike broken tools or
                    equipment, this made the space completely
                    inaccessible for members in the community.  I think
                    it would be most excellent to prevent this in the
                    future by establishing a modest fund whereby we
                    could hire people, obtain necessary parts and
                    supplies, and keep this "must need" basic access to
                    the space.<br>
                    ><br>
                    > Note: the elevator still needs a lot of work to
                    be fully safe and operational.  There is machine
                    work to fix the broken front gate, a missing call
                    light downstairs, a call box repair, floor switch
                    detection issues, and other things all documented on
                    the elevator wiki.<br>
                    ><br>
                    > Looking forward to hearing input from the
                    community.  Hopefully we can all agree that this
                    would be a positive benefit to Noisebridge.<br>
                    > .<br>
                    > -Zach<br>
                    ><br>
                    ><br>
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                    > From: <a href="mailto:noisebridge-discuss-bounces@lists.noisebridge.net" target="_blank">noisebridge-discuss-bounces@li<wbr>sts.noisebridge.net</a>
                    [<a href="mailto:noisebridge-discuss-bounces@lists.noisebridge.net" target="_blank">noisebridge-discuss-bounces@l<wbr>ists.noisebridge.net</a>]
                    on behalf of Naomi Most [<a href="mailto:pnaomi@gmail.com" target="_blank">pnaomi@gmail.com</a>]<br>
                    > Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2017 10:02 PM<br>
                    > To: Noisebridge Discuss<br>
                    > Subject: [Noisebridge-discuss] Noisebridge
                    Meeting 10/10/2017<br>
                    ><br>
                    > Greetings, NB(D),<br>
                    ><br>
                    > A meeting occurred!<br>
                    ><br>
                    > Notably, we have a Real Live Consensus Item
                    from Zach concerning the idea of setting up an
                    officially set-aside Elevator Repair Fund.<br>
                    ><br>
                    > The argument revolves around the idea that the
                    Elevator is a "must have" whereas stuff in the
                    general equipment fund usually falls into the
                    category of "it would be cool if".<br>
                    ><br>
                    > Zach should post a followup to this email to
                    make his proposal more concrete.<br>
                    ><br>
                    > <a href="https://noisebridge.net/wiki/Meeting_Notes_2017_10_10" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://noisebridge.net/wiki/M<wbr>eeting_Notes_2017_10_10</a><br>
                    ><br>
                    ><br>
                    > TLDR what happened at the meeting:<br>
                    ><br>
                    > *   Announcements: Haskell Class starting Oct
                    18th (every 1st and 3rd Wednesday). Cryptobuilders
                    workshop every 2nd and 4th Wednesday.<br>
                    > *   Finances: ???<br>
                    > *   New members: nope but we should contact
                    Merlin and let her know she's at 4 weeks!<br>
                    > *   New philanthropists: nope<br>
                    > *   Consensus Items: Elevator Repair Fund<br>
                    > *   Discussion Items: people lost interest and
                    went to the Internet Archive at this point.<br>
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                    > --<br>
                    > Naomi Theora Most<br>
                    > <a href="mailto:naomi@nthmost.com" target="_blank">naomi@nthmost.com</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:naomi@nthmost.com" target="_blank">naomi<wbr>@nthmost.com</a>><br>
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                    > skype: nthmost<br>
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    <tt>    seems to me the elevator fund should provide some <br>
      money, mostly enough to pay all or most of anticipated <br>
      parts required: what kinds of parts are we likely to <br>
      need, where to get (or make) them (* optional story <br>
      below *), what cost each? <br>
          should be okay that the fund is somewhat insufficient; <br>
      it should be enough for any small parts and near enough <br>
      for likely expensive parts. <br>
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          v. bad idea to pay NB members for their time working <br>
      to improve the place. <br>
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      [* optional story, a great hack in the desert *] <br>
          An American on adventure drove through the Baja <br>
      peninsula. Roads and heat were rough. At some point <br>
      the vehicle threw a rod (metal link between a piston <br>
      and engine crank). <br>
          The American was used to going to parts stores. No <br>
      parts stores in the Baja desert, but there was a woman <br>
      who lived there. The American approached her and asked <br>
      where were parts stores? <br>
          The woman asked what was wrong. He explained. She <br>
      told him it was okay, there were no parts stores, but <br>
      she could fix the problem. <br>
          The two of them dismantled the engine to the point <br>
      they could extract the broken rod. The woman took the <br>
      two pieces of the rod and pressed them together into <br>
      the desert sand. <br>
          She then got out an oxy-acetylene torch and blasted <br>
      the two pieces of the rod until they melted. Pressed <br>
      into the soil, the molten metal had no place to go other <br>
      than to reform itself into the cavity made by the two <br>
      pieces of the broken rod. Presto, a new, unbroken rod. <br>
          After it cooled, they re-installed the rod and <br>
      re-assembled the engine. <br>
          The American was able to drive away (and probably <br>
      found a parts store on his travels). <br>
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          We might try that if some custom part breaks: press <br>
      the pieces together in some sand or proper clay and <br>
      fire up a torch to recreate the part. <br>
      [end optional story] <br>
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        reasonable expense.  As I mentioned in a previous email I don't
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                              2017 at 11:33 AM, John Shutt <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:john.d.shutt@gmail.com" target="_blank">john.d.shutt@gmail.com</a>></span>
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                                I would support spending a certain
                                amount of money for parts for the
                                elevator, but share others' concerns
                                about anyone getting paid for their time
                                from the Noisebridge bank account. There
                                are lots of critical tasks in addition
                                to fixing the elevator: managing
                                finances, cleaning trash, running the
                                access control and server systems,
                                leading tours, 86-ing hazardous people,
                                etc. We can't pay for all of the work
                                that needs to be done to keep the space
                                running. Legally it's the landlord's
                                responsibility to keep the elevator
                                working, but they've done a very poor
                                job and I recognize that DIY fixes will
                                be faster. Even though we're spending
                                money on a building we don't own, it's
                                worth it to make the space accessible.
                                As for a separate elevator fund, I think
                                it would be best if there was a separate
                                fundraising push or donation to make it
                                happen, which was the case with the
                                broadcast fund and equipment fund, but
                                if it's less than $400 per year for
                                parts I don't think spending from the
                                general f<br>
                                 und is a big deal.<br>
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                                Adding to the Slack post: I don't think
                                $400 should necessarily be a cap on our
                                budget for parts for the elevator, if it
                                needs more than that. And I would
                                encourage anyone interested in doing so
                                to look into whether we can legally pay
                                a licensed professional to fix the
                                elevator and deduct the cost from our
                                rent to the landlord.<br>
                                <br>
                                I also think it would be excellent for
                                people to donate money to Zach through
                                PayPal for his work on the elevator,
                                outside of Noisebridge funds. I donated
                                what I could, which is unfortunately not
                                much right now. I'm all for people being
                                paid for their work, but know that
                                Noisebridge itself can't afford to pay
                                for all the critical work that has to be
                                done to keep the space operating.<br>
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                                John<br>
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                                    > On Oct 11, 2017, at 3:14 AM,
                                    Zach R <<a href="mailto:organicunity@hotmail.com" target="_blank">organicunity@hotmail.com</a>>
                                    wrote:<br>
                                    ><br>
                                    > Thanks for the meeting notes
                                    and facilitation Naomi.<br>
                                    ><br>
                                    > Here is a follow-up email as
                                    requested.  I brought this item up
                                    as a "small-c" item 2 weeks ago at
                                    the Noisebridge meeting.  I was told
                                    if nothing was done in 2 weeks that
                                    I should bring it up as a formal
                                    consensus item.  So here it is. The
                                    proposed consensus item is as
                                    follows:<br>
                                    ><br>
                                    > I request that we establish an
                                    Elevator Repair Fund at
                                    Noisebridge.  This fund could be as
                                    modest or ambitious as people like,
                                    but I believe a minimum of $400 per
                                    annual year would do a great deal to
                                    benefit the space.<br>
                                    ><br>
                                    > The elevator is necessary for
                                    those that use Noisebridge with
                                    mobility aids (such as wheelchairs),
                                    for people with non-visible
                                    disabilities (elderly, diabetes, MS,
                                    fibro, etc.), for incoming large
                                    furniture and donations, and for
                                    taking out the regular trash.<br>
                                    ><br>
                                    > As many know, the elevator was
                                    broken for a full 2 months
                                    recently.  Unlike broken tools or
                                    equipment, this made the space
                                    completely inaccessible for members
                                    in the community.  I think it would
                                    be most excellent to prevent this in
                                    the future by establishing a modest
                                    fund whereby we could hire people,
                                    obtain necessary parts and supplies,
                                    and keep this "must need" basic
                                    access to the space.<br>
                                    ><br>
                                    > Note: the elevator still needs
                                    a lot of work to be fully safe and
                                    operational.  There is machine work
                                    to fix the broken front gate, a
                                    missing call light downstairs, a
                                    call box repair, floor switch
                                    detection issues, and other things
                                    all documented on the elevator wiki.<br>
                                    ><br>
                                    > Looking forward to hearing
                                    input from the community.  Hopefully
                                    we can all agree that this would be
                                    a positive benefit to Noisebridge.<br>
                                    > .<br>
                                    > -Zach<br>
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                                    > From: <a href="mailto:noisebridge-discuss-bounces@lists.noisebridge.net" target="_blank">noisebridge-discuss-bounces@li<wbr>sts.noisebridge.net</a>
                                    [<a href="mailto:noisebridge-discuss-bounces@lists.noisebridge.net" target="_blank">noisebridge-discuss-bounces@l<wbr>ists.noisebridge.net</a>]
                                    on behalf of Naomi Most [<a href="mailto:pnaomi@gmail.com" target="_blank">pnaomi@gmail.com</a>]<br>
                                    > Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2017
                                    10:02 PM<br>
                                    > To: Noisebridge Discuss<br>
                                    > Subject: [Noisebridge-discuss]
                                    Noisebridge Meeting 10/10/2017<br>
                                    ><br>
                                    > Greetings, NB(D),<br>
                                    ><br>
                                    > A meeting occurred!<br>
                                    ><br>
                                    > Notably, we have a Real Live
                                    Consensus Item from Zach concerning
                                    the idea of setting up an officially
                                    set-aside Elevator Repair Fund.<br>
                                    ><br>
                                    > The argument revolves around
                                    the idea that the Elevator is a
                                    "must have" whereas stuff in the
                                    general equipment fund usually falls
                                    into the category of "it would be
                                    cool if".<br>
                                    ><br>
                                    > Zach should post a followup to
                                    this email to make his proposal more
                                    concrete.<br>
                                    ><br>
                                    > <a href="https://noisebridge.net/wiki/Meeting_Notes_2017_10_10" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://noisebridge.net/wiki/M<wbr>eeting_Notes_2017_10_10</a><br>
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                                    ><br>
                                    > TLDR what happened at the
                                    meeting:<br>
                                    ><br>
                                    > *   Announcements: Haskell
                                    Class starting Oct 18th (every 1st
                                    and 3rd Wednesday). Cryptobuilders
                                    workshop every 2nd and 4th
                                    Wednesday.<br>
                                    > *   Finances: ???<br>
                                    > *   New members: nope but we
                                    should contact Merlin and let her
                                    know she's at 4 weeks!<br>
                                    > *   New philanthropists: nope<br>
                                    > *   Consensus Items: Elevator
                                    Repair Fund<br>
                                    > *   Discussion Items: people
                                    lost interest and went to the
                                    Internet Archive at this point.<br>
                                    ><br>
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                                    > --<br>
                                    > Naomi Theora Most<br>
                                    > <a href="mailto:naomi@nthmost.com" target="_blank">naomi@nthmost.com</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:naomi@nthmost.com" target="_blank">naomi<wbr>@nthmost.com</a>><br>
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</div><br><br>---------- Forwarded message ----------<br>From: Revolt <<a href="mailto:revoltrightnow@gmail.com">revoltrightnow@gmail.com</a>><br>To: <a href="mailto:noisebridge-discuss@lists.noisebridge.net">noisebridge-discuss@lists.noisebridge.net</a><br>Cc: <br>Bcc: <br>Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2017 15:02:21 -0700<br>Subject: Re: [Noisebridge-discuss] Noisebridge Meeting 10/10/2017<br>Sending replies from my other emails since my hotmail address is<br>
bouncing on the discuss (I cannot figure out who NB Discuss Admin is,<br>
can someone put me into contact with them?)<br>
------<br>
<br>
John makes some good points about re: ownership of building.  The<br>
landlord should pay, but they are not going to and the laws do not<br>
make it easy for us to "force" them.  This just isn't going to happen,<br>
or it would have happened a long time ago.  Like most all things at<br>
NB, this issue needs to be solved collectively by members of the<br>
community.<br>
<br>
>so we should be judicious in how we spend general fund money on the elevator.><br>
Agreed.  That is why I am suggesting a modest $400/year or less budget<br>
for repairs<br>
<br>
>our lease ends next year><br>
This is good to know, I wasn't aware of this.<br>
<br>
>I would like to avoid investing thousands more into common area repairs><br>
I don't see how this applies.  $400/year or less would not amount to<br>
spending anywhere near thousands of dollars if we move in 1 year...<br>
<br>
-Zach<br>
---<br>
Here's what I sent earlier today (bounced from list so far):<br>
<br>
RE: [Noisebridge-discuss] Noisebridge Meeting 10/10/2017<br>
Zach R<br>
jim (<a href="mailto:jim@well.com">jim@well.com</a>);<a href="mailto:noisebridge-discuss@lists.noisebridge.net">noisebridge-<wbr>discuss@lists.noisebridge.net</a><br>
I think Trent makes a good point about member work at NB not being<br>
something funds are for.  i.e. the Treasure is a good example of<br>
something necessary for NB to function as well.<br>
<br>
To clarify, could we agree to at least one  or both of the following<br>
uses of an Elevator Fund?<br>
<br>
1) to hire /outside/ professional help with elevator repair (from a<br>
private company or union that would issue a receipt)<br>
2) to purchase parts for the elevator (with receipts)<br>
<br>
I understand the perspective of fundraising, but this requires work<br>
and I have tried this already appealing to lots of people with<br>
literally zero results.  When something as necessary as the elevator<br>
is broken it shouldn't require months of fundraising efforts to get<br>
basic funds to make it run again...<br>
<br>
The landlord hasn't just done a poor job, they haven't done a job at<br>
all.  The elevator would still be broken if myself and others hadn't<br>
spent the hours repairing it.  This was hard to do with my<br>
disabilities and I was not able to attempt it for months.  I had to<br>
injure myself and take the full initiative on this, no one else setup<br>
time to repair it.  This situation was unexcellent and I am trying to<br>
avoid it in the future not if, but /when/ the elevator breaks again.<br>
<br>
Lastly, we have NB funds put aside for things less crucial than the<br>
elevator.  It seems reasonable to have a small fund for this.  It<br>
could be literally any amount.  I thought $400/year was a reasonable<br>
place to start the conversation.<br>
<br>
-Zach<br>
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<br><br>---------- Forwarded message ----------<br>From: jim <<a href="mailto:jim@well.com">jim@well.com</a>><br>To: <a href="mailto:noisebridge-discuss@lists.noisebridge.net">noisebridge-discuss@lists.noisebridge.net</a><br>Cc: <br>Bcc: <br>Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2017 22:20:28 +0000<br>Subject: Re: [Noisebridge-discuss] Noisebridge Meeting 10/10/2017<br><br>
seems right to me<br>
<br>
<br>
On 10/12/2017 10:02 PM, Revolt wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Sending replies from my other emails since my hotmail address is<br>
bouncing on the discuss (I cannot figure out who NB Discuss Admin is,<br>
can someone put me into contact with them?)<br>
------<br>
<br>
John makes some good points about re: ownership of building.  The<br>
landlord should pay, but they are not going to and the laws do not<br>
make it easy for us to "force" them.  This just isn't going to happen,<br>
or it would have happened a long time ago.  Like most all things at<br>
NB, this issue needs to be solved collectively by members of the<br>
community.<br>
<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
so we should be judicious in how we spend general fund money on the elevator.><br>
</blockquote>
Agreed.  That is why I am suggesting a modest $400/year or less budget<br>
for repairs<br>
<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
our lease ends next year><br>
</blockquote>
This is good to know, I wasn't aware of this.<br>
<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
I would like to avoid investing thousands more into common area repairs><br>
</blockquote>
I don't see how this applies.  $400/year or less would not amount to<br>
spending anywhere near thousands of dollars if we move in 1 year...<br>
<br>
-Zach<br>
---<br>
Here's what I sent earlier today (bounced from list so far):<br>
<br>
RE: [Noisebridge-discuss] Noisebridge Meeting 10/10/2017<br>
Zach R<br>
jim (<a href="mailto:jim@well.com" target="_blank">jim@well.com</a>);<a href="mailto:noisebridge-discuss@lists.noisebridge.net" target="_blank">noisebridge-dis<wbr>cuss@lists.noisebridge.net</a><br>
I think Trent makes a good point about member work at NB not being<br>
something funds are for.  i.e. the Treasure is a good example of<br>
something necessary for NB to function as well.<br>
<br>
To clarify, could we agree to at least one  or both of the following<br>
uses of an Elevator Fund?<br>
<br>
1) to hire /outside/ professional help with elevator repair (from a<br>
private company or union that would issue a receipt)<br>
2) to purchase parts for the elevator (with receipts)<br>
<br>
I understand the perspective of fundraising, but this requires work<br>
and I have tried this already appealing to lots of people with<br>
literally zero results.  When something as necessary as the elevator<br>
is broken it shouldn't require months of fundraising efforts to get<br>
basic funds to make it run again...<br>
<br>
The landlord hasn't just done a poor job, they haven't done a job at<br>
all.  The elevator would still be broken if myself and others hadn't<br>
spent the hours repairing it.  This was hard to do with my<br>
disabilities and I was not able to attempt it for months.  I had to<br>
injure myself and take the full initiative on this, no one else setup<br>
time to repair it.  This situation was unexcellent and I am trying to<br>
avoid it in the future not if, but /when/ the elevator breaks again.<br>
<br>
Lastly, we have NB funds put aside for things less crucial than the<br>
elevator.  It seems reasonable to have a small fund for this.  It<br>
could be literally any amount.  I thought $400/year was a reasonable<br>
place to start the conversation.<br>
<br>
-Zach<br>
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<br><br>---------- Forwarded message ----------<br>From: kprichard <<a href="mailto:kprichard@gmail.com">kprichard@gmail.com</a>><br>To: <a href="mailto:noisebridge-discuss@lists.noisebridge.net">noisebridge-discuss@lists.noisebridge.net</a><br>Cc: <br>Bcc: <br>Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2017 16:19:59 -0700<br>Subject: Re: [Noisebridge-discuss] Noisebridge Meeting 10/10/2017<br><div dir="ltr">If the landlord has sole responsibility for keeping the elevator running, under the lease, consider sending them a bill for the parts/labor.  Zach, Henner & Co did the thing, where the landlord's people were unable.</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 3:20 PM, jim <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jim@well.com" target="_blank">jim@well.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><br>
seems right to me<div class="m_678656763157102880HOEnZb"><div class="m_678656763157102880h5"><br>
<br>
<br>
On 10/12/2017 10:02 PM, Revolt wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Sending replies from my other emails since my hotmail address is<br>
bouncing on the discuss (I cannot figure out who NB Discuss Admin is,<br>
can someone put me into contact with them?)<br>
------<br>
<br>
John makes some good points about re: ownership of building.  The<br>
landlord should pay, but they are not going to and the laws do not<br>
make it easy for us to "force" them.  This just isn't going to happen,<br>
or it would have happened a long time ago.  Like most all things at<br>
NB, this issue needs to be solved collectively by members of the<br>
community.<br>
<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
so we should be judicious in how we spend general fund money on the elevator.><br>
</blockquote>
Agreed.  That is why I am suggesting a modest $400/year or less budget<br>
for repairs<br>
<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
our lease ends next year><br>
</blockquote>
This is good to know, I wasn't aware of this.<br>
<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
I would like to avoid investing thousands more into common area repairs><br>
</blockquote>
I don't see how this applies.  $400/year or less would not amount to<br>
spending anywhere near thousands of dollars if we move in 1 year...<br>
<br>
-Zach<br>
---<br>
Here's what I sent earlier today (bounced from list so far):<br>
<br>
RE: [Noisebridge-discuss] Noisebridge Meeting 10/10/2017<br>
Zach R<br>
jim (<a href="mailto:jim@well.com" target="_blank">jim@well.com</a>);<a href="mailto:noisebridge-discuss@lists.noisebridge.net" target="_blank">noisebridge-dis<wbr>cuss@lists.noisebridge.net</a><br>
I think Trent makes a good point about member work at NB not being<br>
something funds are for.  i.e. the Treasure is a good example of<br>
something necessary for NB to function as well.<br>
<br>
To clarify, could we agree to at least one  or both of the following<br>
uses of an Elevator Fund?<br>
<br>
1) to hire /outside/ professional help with elevator repair (from a<br>
private company or union that would issue a receipt)<br>
2) to purchase parts for the elevator (with receipts)<br>
<br>
I understand the perspective of fundraising, but this requires work<br>
and I have tried this already appealing to lots of people with<br>
literally zero results.  When something as necessary as the elevator<br>
is broken it shouldn't require months of fundraising efforts to get<br>
basic funds to make it run again...<br>
<br>
The landlord hasn't just done a poor job, they haven't done a job at<br>
all.  The elevator would still be broken if myself and others hadn't<br>
spent the hours repairing it.  This was hard to do with my<br>
disabilities and I was not able to attempt it for months.  I had to<br>
injure myself and take the full initiative on this, no one else setup<br>
time to repair it.  This situation was unexcellent and I am trying to<br>
avoid it in the future not if, but /when/ the elevator breaks again.<br>
<br>
Lastly, we have NB funds put aside for things less crucial than the<br>
elevator.  It seems reasonable to have a small fund for this.  It<br>
could be literally any amount.  I thought $400/year was a reasonable<br>
place to start the conversation.<br>
<br>
-Zach<br>
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