[Tastebridge] [Noisebridge-discuss] Kitchen overhaul this Thursday - Saturday

Dan Cote terminationshok at gmail.com
Thu Jul 25 10:32:54 UTC 2013

The current kitchen island is contaminated with mice and roaches (dead and
alive) and their waste. It cannot be cleaned. Have you smelled it lately?
This teardown should happen. I don't agree with the "stove on stilts and
wheels" idea. It looks dangerous and not as useful. I also don't agree with
the 0 counter space idea. Has anyone ever tried to cook with no counters?
Nonetheless, the current counters need to be taken out. Fighting about the
future kitchen is just obstructing someone who wants to donate labor toward
making the kitchen better!

Nothing is stopping you or I from building a better kitchen when this is

We can do-ocraticly build the kitchen back up. I think stainless steel
would be much better at being cleaned than particle board that soaks up
filth and retains it forever.

It's not the end food related activities in the place. It's the beginning
of a better kitchen. It's a hacker space. It's not gonna kill us to build
something in there!

On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 12:05 AM, Frantisek Apfelbeck <algoldor at yahoo.com>wrote:

> Hi to all,
> I definitely disagree with the proposed changes of taking the "island" in
> the kitchen out asking for this to go through consensus as a major change
> in the kitchen, reasons are below, basically it is fundamental change which
> would make any food related classes and larger food preparations at the
> place extremely difficult.
> Did this change of kitchen went though consensus already? I am checking
> the list a lot but I have not seen this comming and I'm sure that if people
> around food see this it is going to be definitelly blocked.
> This proposal is decreasing the kitchen workshop and presentation
> capabalities by 70-80% making it very unsuitable for any larger (over 5
> people) classes and meal for event preparations. I've done catering on many
> events CCC included, building now kitchen for OHM 2013 and
> working/volunteered in kitchens this design is not good for activities
> described above and it is completely against the direction of bringing the
> attention of hackers and hacker movement to the food as crucial factor of a
> healthy life. You may not have too much activities around the food at the
> moment but sooner or later it will come as it did before. Taking the
> central element from best kitchen which I have seen at any hackerspace till
> now when it is there already after being build with so much work by many
> (not me in this case), that seems very unreasonab le to me. If you do not
> aim to bascially to end food related activities in the place you should not
> go ahead and destroy the ile. I personally believe that food should be
> taken very seriously and the experimental kitchen should stay in the place
> as it is if not improved.
> Please if you can copy me on the situation it would be nice, I'll try to
> go through that but I'm now on the ground for OHM building the Food Hacking
> Base so my time is limited.
> Sincerely,
> Frantisek Algoldor Apfelbeck
> biotechnologist&kvasir and hacker
> http://www.frantisekapfelbeck.org
> "There is no way to peace, peace is the way." Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi
>   ------------------------------
>  *From:* jarrod hicks <hicksu at gmail.com>
> *To:* Andy Isaacson <adi at hexapodia.org>
> *Cc:* NoiseBridge Discuss <noisebridge-discuss at lists.noisebridge.net>;
> James Sundquist <sundquistjames at gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 24, 2013 10:04 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [Noisebridge-discuss] Kitchen overhaul this Thursday -
> Saturday
> Andy.
> I believe that we have made the best effort we can, through Rebase, to
> achieve general agreement (or community buy-in) on the kitchen
> proposal and that the changes we are making are excellent and fall
> under do-ocracy.
> The entire project, minus some minor modifications discussed at last
> nights Rebase meeting, is here:
> https://noisebridge.net/wiki/Kitchen_Mission
> I will update this soon, along with posting some meeting notes.
> Discussion regarding making changes to the kitchen and encouraging
> community involvement have been ongoing since it was selected during
> the 06/25/2013 meeting as the theme for the 07/02/2013 Rebase meeting.
> This theme and following proposals have been updated on the wiki, sent
> to discuss, and presented at the meetings since.
> At the previous meetings leading to this proposal we have had strong
> agreement that something needs to be done to the kitchen; that it does
> not work as is. The current proposal is the third iteration of the
> kitchen project and reflects the concerns and compromises of those
> attending the Rebase meetings and those who contributed via email to
> those discussions. Excepting Cynthia, the attendees of the last
> meeting felt that this was a strong proposal that we should act on.
> I hope that this addresses your concern.
> (The rest of this message is just about Rebase)
> For the discussion list, a reminder:
> As far as Rebase is concerned, in general, the intent is to make
> excellent changes and improvements to the Noisebridge space that
> require more resources, scheduling, and work than a single user can
> achieve. The meetings are scheduled at at regular time and the
> processes and intent of the Rebase meetings are documented on the
> wiki. The meetings are announced to discuss and the notes are kept (as
> well as possible). We have had good attendance at the meetings, and I
> would love to see even better attendance.
> I encourage everyone to please attend these meetings and help Rebase
> deliver excellent changes/improvements to our community. Collaboration
> and development of projects is by no means constrained to the Rebase
> meetings, but they are designed to be a good place for it. Especially
> if one feels they need community buy-in. If one cannot attend, please
> make a wiki page with your proposal and add it to the Rebase page.
> Send me, or someone else that can present on your behalf, your
> comments and proposals for us to bring up during the meeting.
> -Jarrod
> On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 10:13 AM, Andy Isaacson <adi at hexapodia.org> wrote:
> > On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 12:44:30AM -0700, James Sundquist wrote:
> >> On Thursday morning, at 7am, the island in the kitchen will be removed
> up
> >> to the stove.  Storage above the sink will be removed and replaced by a
> >> comprehensive, drip-dry wire rack system.  By Saturday the stove will be
> >> housed in a mobile case with collapsible sides.
> >
> > Is there a general agreement that this is the right thing to do?  I'm
> > super skeptical about the kitchen in general, and I don't use it myself,
> > and some of the uses of the kitchen annoy and frighten me, but
> > demolishing a project that a significant number of volunteers put an
> > effort into seems like a step that needs plenty of community buy-in.
> >
> > -andy
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