[Neuro] Neuro Digest, Vol 32, Issue 4
Anthony Di Franco
di.franco at gmail.com
Thu May 2 05:50:45 UTC 2013
For what it's worth, I think it's good to have a range of options available
to people who want to experiment with these things. I am comfortable with
basic electronics and made my own and am showing others how to do it,
Justin is publishing open designs for somewhat nicer kits and offering to
sell them as kits or assembled, and no doubt truly high-markup mass
produced models are or will be available from someone. It is all comparable
to what goes on in another area of DIY involving mostly basic electronics,
analog audio amps, and like there, people can more nearly get what they
want or need by choosing what works for them, from designing and building
their own up to buying a mass-produced high overhead high markup model, and
many options in between. There is no one-size-fits-all tradeoff among
money, time, and attention, here or anywhere.
On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 7:53 PM, LinkReincarnate
<linkreincarnate at gmail.com>wrote:
> My markup is only 20 dollars per device. For every 25 I source, build,
> test, and sell I get 500 dollars. I'm not exactly becoming
> a millionaire here. My costs to build them is 50. If I were being a
> proper capitalist I would be charging at least 100 because that is double
> my cost. Many people say you can only keep a business afloat if you charge
> 3 times your cost. If you can find an adjustable current,current ramping ,
> assembled and shipped tdcs device for less than 70 please link to it. I
> don't think you can though. Can you build one yourself for cheaper? Of
> course*
> *(ignoring your own labor costs)
>
>
> On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 5:47 PM, <neuro-request at lists.noisebridge.net>wrote:
>
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>> Message: 1
>> Date: Wed, 01 May 2013 16:58:11 -0700
>> From: John Withers <jwithers at reddagger.org>
>> To: neuro at lists.noisebridge.net
>> Subject: Re: [Neuro] Fwd: tDCS at Noisebridge?
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>> I can't make it tonight or next week, but unless those electrodes are
>> made of solid gold, that's a crazy high markup.
>>
>> If anyone isn't into paying $70 but more like $25, feel free to contact
>> me and I will be happy to show you how to make your own lm334 regulator
>> when I get back into town in a couple of weeks. Hell, I can tell you
>> pretty much everything you need to know over email. This isn't very
>> complicated and uses about $6 in parts and a meter.
>>
>> j
>>
>> On 05/01/2013 04:49 PM, LinkReincarnate wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> > From: *LinkReincarnate* <linkreincarnate at gmail.com
>> > <mailto:linkreincarnate at gmail.com>>
>> > Date: Wed, May 1, 2013 at 4:44 PM
>> > Subject: Re: [Neuro] tDCS at Noisebridge?
>> > To: Rohan Dixit <rohan at brainbot.me <mailto:rohan at brainbot.me>>
>> > Cc: Chung-Hay Luk <luk at chunghay.com <mailto:luk at chunghay.com>>
>> >
>> >
>> > I'll be at noisebridge in about 30 minutes. Also for anyone else who
>> > is interested in a tdcs device of their own. I just made a bulk order
>> > to build about 25 of them. (only enough electrodes for about 7 kits
>> > though) If I had a class at noisebridge on how to build and use
>> > tdcs devices would people show up and buy the kits? I'd charge 70
>> > dollars a device including nice electrodes (5x7 cm or 5x5 cm
>> > conductive silicon sponge pouch electrodes) We would cover the device
>> > itself, the 10-20 system. Popular montages, and dosage considerations
>> > and anything else that people are interested in.
>> >
>>
>>
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>> Date: Wed, 1 May 2013 17:47:17 -0700
>> From: LinkReincarnate <linkreincarnate at gmail.com>
>> To: neuro at lists.noisebridge.net
>> Subject: Re: [Neuro] Neuro Digest, Vol 32, Issue 3
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>> I am here now and sitting at the electronics bench on the left side as you
>> enter noisebridge
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>> > 1. Re: Readings on the brain and dreaming (Sarah Tappon)
>> > 2. Re: Readings on the brain and dreaming (Anthony Di Franco)
>> > 3. Fwd: tDCS at Noisebridge? (LinkReincarnate)
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>> > Date: Wed, 1 May 2013 09:02:08 -0700
>> > From: Sarah Tappon <sarah.tappon at gmail.com>
>> > To: Jade Solomon <jade.solomon at me.com>
>> > Cc: neuro <neuro at lists.noisebridge.net>
>> > Subject: Re: [Neuro] Readings on the brain and dreaming
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>> > NB: The functional significance of "mirror neurons" in human cognition
>> > is controversial and a lot of people disagree with Ramachandran. Here
>> > are some alternate perspectives on the general issue:
>> >
>> >
>> http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/guest-blog/2012/11/06/whats-so-special-about-mirror-neurons/
>> > http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2773693/
>> >
>> > (My understanding is that there's also mixed evidence on the autism
>> > link specifically, but I don't know that literature very well.)
>> >
>> > -s
>> >
>> > On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 8:42 AM, Jade Solomon <jade.solomon at me.com>
>> wrote:
>> > > Hello Dream Team,
>> > >
>> > > I've attached some articles you may find interesting, one about mirror
>> > neurons, and one about dreaming.
>> > > I'll try to find and share more related articles.
>> > >
>> > > - Jade
>> > >
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>> > Message: 2
>> > Date: Wed, 1 May 2013 10:36:23 -0700
>> > From: Anthony Di Franco <di.franco at gmail.com>
>> > To: Sarah Tappon <sarah.tappon at gmail.com>
>> > Cc: neuro <neuro at lists.noisebridge.net>
>> > Subject: Re: [Neuro] Readings on the brain and dreaming
>> > Message-ID:
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>> > Compare with grandmother cell on a background of fragmentalism vs.
>> wholism
>> > and sparse vs. distributed coding and correlation vs. causation.
>> > On May 1, 2013 9:02 AM, "Sarah Tappon" <sarah.tappon at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > > NB: The functional significance of "mirror neurons" in human cognition
>> > > is controversial and a lot of people disagree with Ramachandran. Here
>> > > are some alternate perspectives on the general issue:
>> > >
>> > >
>> >
>> http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/guest-blog/2012/11/06/whats-so-special-about-mirror-neurons/
>> > > http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2773693/
>> > >
>> > > (My understanding is that there's also mixed evidence on the autism
>> > > link specifically, but I don't know that literature very well.)
>> > >
>> > > -s
>> > >
>> > > On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 8:42 AM, Jade Solomon <jade.solomon at me.com>
>> > wrote:
>> > > > Hello Dream Team,
>> > > >
>> > > > I've attached some articles you may find interesting, one about
>> mirror
>> > > neurons, and one about dreaming.
>> > > > I'll try to find and share more related articles.
>> > > >
>> > > > - Jade
>> > > >
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>> > From: LinkReincarnate <linkreincarnate at gmail.com>
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>> > Date: Wed, May 1, 2013 at 4:44 PM
>> > Subject: Re: [Neuro] tDCS at Noisebridge?
>> > To: Rohan Dixit <rohan at brainbot.me>
>> > Cc: Chung-Hay Luk <luk at chunghay.com>
>> >
>> >
>> > I'll be at noisebridge in about 30 minutes. Also for anyone else who is
>> > interested in a tdcs device of their own. I just made a bulk order to
>> > build about 25 of them. (only enough electrodes for about 7 kits though)
>> > If I had a class at noisebridge on how to build and use tdcs devices
>> would
>> > people show up and buy the kits? I'd charge 70 dollars a device
>> including
>> > nice electrodes (5x7 cm or 5x5 cm conductive silicon sponge pouch
>> > electrodes) We would cover the device itself, the 10-20 system.
>> Popular
>> > montages, and dosage considerations and anything else that people are
>> > interested in.
>> >
>> >
>> > On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 10:19 AM, Rohan Dixit <rohan at brainbot.me> wrote:
>> >
>> > > Thanks!
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 10:19 AM, Rohan Dixit <rohan at brainbot.me>
>> wrote:
>> > >
>> > >> Well, I'll get one then. Where can i find you?
>> > >>
>> > >> Rohan
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 9:55 AM, LinkReincarnate <
>> > >> linkreincarnate at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > >>
>> > >>> for just the pcb? 5 dollars.
>> > >>> On May 1, 2013 8:58 AM, "Rohan Dixit" <rohan at brainbot.me> wrote:
>> > >>>
>> > >>>> That's great, thanks. I saw some open tDCS designs on your website.
>> > >>>> Interesting stuff.
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>> Would be nice to talk more about it. I'm also interested in a good
>> > >>>> opensource design for tDCS that ideally does some basic things like
>> > >>>> impendance checking, current ramping etc.
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>> How much would you ask for your board? I have some electrodes and
>> > wires
>> > >>>> already.
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>> (PS I'll be at Noisebridge tonight for the neuro meetup).
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>> Rohan
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>> On Mon, Apr 29, 2013 at 3:49 PM, LinkReincarnate <
>> > >>>> linkreincarnate at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>>> https://nocko.se/2012/07/30/brain-zapping-is-fun/ that is the
>> > >>>>> shematic, bom, and gerber files
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>> On Mon, Apr 29, 2013 at 10:55 AM, Rohan Dixit <rohan at brainbot.me
>> > >wrote:
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>>> Looks like I missed you this weekend (although I am planning to
>> hang
>> > >>>>>> out at the neuro meetup at noisebridge on Wednesday, if you're
>> > going to be
>> > >>>>>> there.)
>> > >>>>>>
>> > >>>>>> I don't know if you've seen the threads from Anthony et al but
>> we're
>> > >>>>>> trying to build a few of these and standardize our results.. The
>> > first step
>> > >>>>>> is building the circuit.
>> > >>>>>>
>> > >>>>>> Question: There are a bunch of designs out there-- do you have a
>> > >>>>>> link to your schematic/Eagle file? I am interested in making one
>> > myself, as
>> > >>>>>> I said, but could also buy it from you if the design's similar
>> and
>> > it's
>> > >>>>>> cheap.
>> > >>>>>>
>> > >>>>>> Cheers,
>> > >>>>>> Rohan
>> > >>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>
>> > >>>>>> On Sat, Apr 27, 2013 at 8:13 PM, LinkReincarnate <
>> > >>>>>> linkreincarnate at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > >>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>> that covers it I have one left and no electrodes or lead
>> wires. I
>> > >>>>>>> may have some stuff that will work for diy electrodes though.
>> > I'll be at
>> > >>>>>>> noisebridge today for a while. By the time you read this I'll
>> be
>> > there
>> > >>>>>>> actually.
>> > >>>>>>> On Apr 27, 2013 12:24 AM, "Chung-Hay Luk" <luk at chunghay.com>
>> > wrote:
>> > >>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>> Hi Rohan,
>> > >>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>> Apologies for not getting back to you this week! I've been
>> > >>>>>>>> swamped with work and preparing for the NeuroGaming conference<
>> > http://neurogamingconf.com>that's next week.
>> > >>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>> I've CC'ed LinkReincernate (Justin) here, since I bought the
>> > >>>>>>>> board and electrodes for my tDCS device from him. As mentioned
>> > before, it's
>> > >>>>>>>> this one: https://nocko.se/2012/07/30/brain-zapping-is-fun/,
>> and
>> > >>>>>>>> the adjustable current range is from 0.5 - 2 mA. The electrodes
>> > are 4" x
>> > >>>>>>>> 4", from Mettler (
>> > >>>>>>>>
>> >
>> http://www.amazon.com/Mettler-Electronics-Sponge-Electrodes-Inserts/dp/B003XWZVIS/ref=sr_1_11
>> > ).
>> > >>>>>>>> Justin, feel free to add more details, if I've forgotten
>> anything
>> > key.
>> > >>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>> Rohan, I'm available to chat in person next Friday (May 3) or
>> > the
>> > >>>>>>>> following week (May 6-10). Let me know what works best for you.
>> > >>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>> Smiles,
>> > >>>>>>>> Chung-Hay
>> > >>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>> On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 12:35 AM, Rohan Dixit <
>> rohan at brainbot.me
>> > >wrote:
>> > >>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>> Hi Chung!
>> > >>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>> Thanks for your kind message, and I'd love to get in touch
>> with
>> > >>>>>>>>> LinkReincarnate.
>> > >>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>> Also, curious to hear your experiences and motivations for the
>> > >>>>>>>>> tDCS rig you've got-- are you around for a coffee or something
>> > sometime
>> > >>>>>>>>> this week?
>> > >>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>> > >>>>>>>>> Rohan
>> > >>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>> On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 12:30 PM, Chung-Hay Luk <
>> > luk at chunghay.com>wrote:
>> > >>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>> Hi!
>> > >>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>> I've built the device posted by LinkReincarnate (
>> > >>>>>>>>>> https://nocko.se/2012/07/30/brain-zapping-is-fun/). Current
>> is
>> > >>>>>>>>>> adjustable from 0.5 - 2 mA. I unfortunately don't have
>> spares,
>> > but
>> > >>>>>>>>>> LinkReincarnate might? Maybe he'll reply to this thread. If
>> > not, PM me, and
>> > >>>>>>>>>> I can ask him on your behalf.
>> > >>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>> My friends and I have been experimenting with tDCS over
>> motor
>> > >>>>>>>>>> cortex for now, and I'd be happy to nerd out with others. My
>> > background is
>> > >>>>>>>>>> also in electrophysiology (+ brain training).
>> > >>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>> Smiles,
>> > >>>>>>>>>> Chung-Hay
>> > >>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>> @Kelly: Miss you! Come visit!
>> > >>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 11:55 AM, Anthony Di Franco <
>> > >>>>>>>>>> di.franco at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > >>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>> I built one, and I have parts for about 5 more. It's a very
>> > >>>>>>>>>>> simple design I came up with that is just a regulated
>> current
>> > source
>> > >>>>>>>>>>> adjustable from 0-2mA.
>> > >>>>>>>>>>> I only tested it by measuring its output current with a
>> meter
>> > >>>>>>>>>>> and not through a brain.
>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Let me know if you want some parts for one.
>> > >>>>>>>>>>> I'm mostly around sudo room in Oakland these days, so you
>> could
>> > >>>>>>>>>>> come check out sudo room as well if you want.
>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Anthony
>> > >>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 17, 2013 11:44 AM, "Kelly" <
>> hurtstotouchfire at gmail.com>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Hi rohan,
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> I moved to Boston, but there are indeed a few Noisebridge
>> > folks
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> that have built tdcs rigs. I'm sure they would be happy to
>> > chat with you.
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> See the Noisebridge Neuro list, cc-ed.
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Kelly
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 17, 2013 3:55 AM, "Rohan Dixit" <rohan at brainbot.me>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi there,
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Was wondering if I could find some people interested in
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> building a tDCS device. Have you built one before?
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> My background is in neuroimaging and electrophysiology
>> but am
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> very interested in tDCS. Would you be kind enough to have
>> > tea or coffee
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> sometime this week at your convenience so I can "pick your
>> > brain" (promise
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> no devices involved!)
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Rohan
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Rohan Dixit
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> www.brainbot.me
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>> > >>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>> --
>> > >>>>>>>>> Rohan Dixit
>> > >>>>>>>>> www.brainbot.me
>> > >>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>
>> > >>>>>> --
>> > >>>>>> Rohan Dixit
>> > >>>>>> TEDx video: Meditation neurotechnology <
>> > http://youtu.be/8uSPygIPqIo>
>> > >>>>>> www.brainbot.me
>> > >>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>> --
>> > >>>>> www.linkreincarnate.com
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>> --
>> > >>>> Rohan Dixit
>> > >>>> TEDx video: Meditation neurotechnology <
>> http://youtu.be/8uSPygIPqIo>
>> > >>>> www.brainbot.me
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>>
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> --
>> > >> Rohan Dixit
>> > >> TEDx video: Meditation neurotechnology <http://youtu.be/8uSPygIPqIo
>> >
>> > >> www.brainbot.me
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > --
>> > > Rohan Dixit
>> > > TEDx video: Meditation neurotechnology <http://youtu.be/8uSPygIPqIo>
>> > > www.brainbot.me
>> > >
>> > >
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