[Build] electrical demo
jim
jim at well.com
Tue Aug 18 04:32:49 UTC 2009
okay. i just got home (9:30 PM monday),
and i've got a ton of stuff to run around
and do. i could probably make tuesday
morning before 10 AM or late tuesday
afternoon or early evening or sometime
wednesday afternoon, something like 2:00
PM or so.
415 823 4590 my cellphone, call anytime
On Mon, 2009-08-17 at 11:11 -0700, neil maclean wrote:
> Hey Jim,
> lets get together, maybe late afternoon today or afternoon tomorrow. If
> your offer to buy is still good, Zeitgeist in the sunshine beats most
> anything else for me. Lets talk about how to approach 2169. We could
> also go over there to make some real plans. Of course, Rachel, deleTed,
> or others interested would be welcome.
>
>
>
>
> jim wrote:
> > ("whew!")
> > seems to me the breaker box is usable. the top
> > two positions seem good and the bottom position
> > doesn't seem too bad, and my guess is that the
> > position third from the top (second from the
> > bottom) was being used despite its groady
> > condition.
> >
> yeah, about 2/3rds of it is usable.
>
> > the problem with replacing the box is finding
> > one that is the same size and has the same holes
> > so we can match it to the many pipes connecting
> > to the existing box.
> >
> I assumed we would refit the pipe to a new, perhaps larger box,
> depending on sub panels.
> > it may be possible to replace the bus bars
> > themselves rather than the entire box.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> right.
>
> One big question I have regards the rail plug-in system. I haven't used
> or installed one before. Its currently fed with 50 amp breakers and #6
> wires. I think we could drop those down to 20 amp with #12 to each of
> the twenty foot long rails and still have plenty of power for computers
> and other electronic gear. If we do that, we are left with five 1 inch
> runs, heading out of the panel and ending at many locations around the
> space, one is about half way to the kitchen, another 3/4s of the way to
> the wood and metal shop. And the pipes already have #6 inside.
> Re-purposing these would already put us at about half way with the
> feeder distribution.
>
> I read a note in the archive about your concern that we avoid making
> glaring upgrades w/o permits. That in mind, it might be wise to do
> whatever we can before the paint out, so it all gets slapped with the
> same white coat.
>
> As you know, there is an art to this work, there are decisions that are
> determined by the material, and then there are interpretations of what
> is easy or beautiful or most helpful. The best conduit bender I ever
> knew was also a jeweler. He looked around at the warehouse we were
> bending in and said, "I just see this all as the macro scale of a ring
> or a bracelet." Then he proceeded to bend the prettiest shapes around
> the nastiest corners.
>
> Lets talk over how to approach this huge, beautiful, nastiness.
>
> Neil
>
>
> > On Sun, 2009-08-16 at 22:21 -0700, deleTed wrote:
> >
> >> Oh, and by "taking apart" I mean that I removed the breakers. The box
> >> itself is still intact.
> >>
> >> On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 10:20 PM, deleTed <arbzed at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> I ended up taking the 3-phase breaker box apart.
> >>
> >> Some of the breakers had arced and melted/deformed the
> >> connectors to the box behind them. I showed this to Neil, and
> >> his opinion was that we should replace the breaker box (one or
> >> two of the tabs that attach to the breakers are melted enough
> >> to be useless). The breakers I removed (the ones that didn't
> >> have melted connectors) are in a box in the electrical storage
> >> closet.
> >>
> >> Any wires that were wired to be switched together by the
> >> breakers, in case that information might come in handy for
> >> some reason.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 3:53 PM, jim <jim at well.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> don't worry too much about what to do:
> >> do something, anything, and we'll make
> >> progress. you do have the overall list,
> >> yes?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Sun, 2009-08-16 at 12:44 -0700, Rachel McConnell
> >> wrote:
> >> > I'm planning on showing up there ... probably about
> >> 3, which is about
> >> > when Lamont said he'd be there too IIRC.
> >> >
> >> > If you want to get in earlier, though, there were a
> >> bunch of keys at 83C
> >> > in the membership cabinet in an Altoids tin. There
> >> may be some left
> >> > there still. Feel free to take a set, you're doing
> >> build work and
> >> > that's what those are for.
> >> >
> >> > Jim may have a better idea, but my guess is the next
> >> highest electrical
> >> > demo priority is the wiremold along the back wall
> >> and south wall, the
> >> > stuff that's partly built into the floor... that's
> >> what I was planning
> >> > on working on anyway. Also, tracing wires from all
> >> the breaker boxes,
> >> > but that's a job much more easily done with 2
> >> people.
> >> >
> >> > Rachel
> >> >
> >> > deleTed wrote:
> >> > > I thought I might come by 2169 in a bit and do
> >> some electrical demo.
> >> > > I will be toting screwdrivers, a knife, and a
> >> drill w/ screw bits.
> >> > > Is anyone around who can let me in?
> >> > >
> >> > > Also, Lamont & Rachael: what are the highest
> >> priority demolition targets
> >> > > at the moment?
> >> > >
> >> > > dlt.
> >>
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