[Build] electrical demo
neil maclean
neil at warmcove.org
Tue Aug 18 21:04:59 UTC 2009
I could meet later this afternoon or early evening, like you said. I've
left a couple messages.
I'm at 515-8430
neil
jim wrote:
> okay. i just got home (9:30 PM monday),
> and i've got a ton of stuff to run around
> and do. i could probably make tuesday
> morning before 10 AM or late tuesday
> afternoon or early evening or sometime
> wednesday afternoon, something like 2:00
> PM or so.
> 415 823 4590 my cellphone, call anytime
>
>
>
> On Mon, 2009-08-17 at 11:11 -0700, neil maclean wrote:
>
>> Hey Jim,
>> lets get together, maybe late afternoon today or afternoon tomorrow. If
>> your offer to buy is still good, Zeitgeist in the sunshine beats most
>> anything else for me. Lets talk about how to approach 2169. We could
>> also go over there to make some real plans. Of course, Rachel, deleTed,
>> or others interested would be welcome.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> jim wrote:
>>
>>> ("whew!")
>>> seems to me the breaker box is usable. the top
>>> two positions seem good and the bottom position
>>> doesn't seem too bad, and my guess is that the
>>> position third from the top (second from the
>>> bottom) was being used despite its groady
>>> condition.
>>>
>>>
>> yeah, about 2/3rds of it is usable.
>>
>>
>>> the problem with replacing the box is finding
>>> one that is the same size and has the same holes
>>> so we can match it to the many pipes connecting
>>> to the existing box.
>>>
>>>
>> I assumed we would refit the pipe to a new, perhaps larger box,
>> depending on sub panels.
>>
>>> it may be possible to replace the bus bars
>>> themselves rather than the entire box.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> right.
>>
>> One big question I have regards the rail plug-in system. I haven't used
>> or installed one before. Its currently fed with 50 amp breakers and #6
>> wires. I think we could drop those down to 20 amp with #12 to each of
>> the twenty foot long rails and still have plenty of power for computers
>> and other electronic gear. If we do that, we are left with five 1 inch
>> runs, heading out of the panel and ending at many locations around the
>> space, one is about half way to the kitchen, another 3/4s of the way to
>> the wood and metal shop. And the pipes already have #6 inside.
>> Re-purposing these would already put us at about half way with the
>> feeder distribution.
>>
>> I read a note in the archive about your concern that we avoid making
>> glaring upgrades w/o permits. That in mind, it might be wise to do
>> whatever we can before the paint out, so it all gets slapped with the
>> same white coat.
>>
>> As you know, there is an art to this work, there are decisions that are
>> determined by the material, and then there are interpretations of what
>> is easy or beautiful or most helpful. The best conduit bender I ever
>> knew was also a jeweler. He looked around at the warehouse we were
>> bending in and said, "I just see this all as the macro scale of a ring
>> or a bracelet." Then he proceeded to bend the prettiest shapes around
>> the nastiest corners.
>>
>> Lets talk over how to approach this huge, beautiful, nastiness.
>>
>> Neil
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Sun, 2009-08-16 at 22:21 -0700, deleTed wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Oh, and by "taking apart" I mean that I removed the breakers. The box
>>>> itself is still intact.
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 10:20 PM, deleTed <arbzed at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> I ended up taking the 3-phase breaker box apart.
>>>>
>>>> Some of the breakers had arced and melted/deformed the
>>>> connectors to the box behind them. I showed this to Neil, and
>>>> his opinion was that we should replace the breaker box (one or
>>>> two of the tabs that attach to the breakers are melted enough
>>>> to be useless). The breakers I removed (the ones that didn't
>>>> have melted connectors) are in a box in the electrical storage
>>>> closet.
>>>>
>>>> Any wires that were wired to be switched together by the
>>>> breakers, in case that information might come in handy for
>>>> some reason.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 3:53 PM, jim <jim at well.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> don't worry too much about what to do:
>>>> do something, anything, and we'll make
>>>> progress. you do have the overall list,
>>>> yes?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, 2009-08-16 at 12:44 -0700, Rachel McConnell
>>>> wrote:
>>>> > I'm planning on showing up there ... probably about
>>>> 3, which is about
>>>> > when Lamont said he'd be there too IIRC.
>>>> >
>>>> > If you want to get in earlier, though, there were a
>>>> bunch of keys at 83C
>>>> > in the membership cabinet in an Altoids tin. There
>>>> may be some left
>>>> > there still. Feel free to take a set, you're doing
>>>> build work and
>>>> > that's what those are for.
>>>> >
>>>> > Jim may have a better idea, but my guess is the next
>>>> highest electrical
>>>> > demo priority is the wiremold along the back wall
>>>> and south wall, the
>>>> > stuff that's partly built into the floor... that's
>>>> what I was planning
>>>> > on working on anyway. Also, tracing wires from all
>>>> the breaker boxes,
>>>> > but that's a job much more easily done with 2
>>>> people.
>>>> >
>>>> > Rachel
>>>> >
>>>> > deleTed wrote:
>>>> > > I thought I might come by 2169 in a bit and do
>>>> some electrical demo.
>>>> > > I will be toting screwdrivers, a knife, and a
>>>> drill w/ screw bits.
>>>> > > Is anyone around who can let me in?
>>>> > >
>>>> > > Also, Lamont & Rachael: what are the highest
>>>> priority demolition targets
>>>> > > at the moment?
>>>> > >
>>>> > > dlt.
>>>>
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>> They further concluded that at least 8 detainees in US custody were
>> tortured to death. Steven Miles, reporting in this journal, put the
>> number of deaths due to torture at 17, with 11 cases occurring in Iraq
>> and 6 occurring in Afghanistan.[8]
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>> Many of these deaths involved torture or abuse related to harsh
>> interrogations of the detainees by US personnel.
>>
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They further concluded that at least 8 detainees in US custody were
tortured to death. Steven Miles, reporting in this journal, put the
number of deaths due to torture at 17, with 11 cases occurring in Iraq
and 6 occurring in Afghanistan.[8]
<http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=1868355#R8>
Many of these deaths involved torture or abuse related to harsh
interrogations of the detainees by US personnel.
from: Public Medical Records Central: a free library of Life Science
Journals
http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=1868355
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