[Build] work exchange

[neil maclean]

Your second point, that membership grants ONLY the right to block 
consensus is radical. I have to think about that.

Neil

Rachel McConnell wrote:
> neil maclean wrote:
>   
>> I would like to trade my electrical work for membership fees.
>>     
>
> Neil, with the greatest possible respect for both your abilities and
> your ideas, I am against a membership/work trade.  We've already turned
> one person down for a trade with cleaning for membership (Rubin emailed
> about that I just saw).  And there is another consideration.
>
> Setting this precedent would mean that we have to consider other
> people's trade offers, which might be less clearly useful than yours.
> Then we'd have to figure out how to value someone's work.  Suppose I
> wanted to trade my programming skills for membership.  What programming
> should I do?  How much membership would it get me?  What if someone else
> is willing do the same work, but as a volunteer?  This is a really hard
> discussion to resolve, especially when full consensus is required, as
> with Noisebridge.  And this doesn't even get into the tax and legal
> ramifications of paying "interested parties".
>
> I'd also like to point out that the ONLY benefit of membership is the
> ability to block consensus on a decision.  Non-members may still use all
> of Noisebridge's resources.  Non-members can (and do) get involved in
> all discussions, and often have a significant influence on the outcome.
>  Non-members can have keys.  Non-members can attend workshops.
> Non-members can run workshops.  Non-members can give us money :)
>
> Relatedly, I do think that your culture-hacking, which you outlined in a
> different email, is likely to fit well with Noisebridge.  I encourage
> you to move forward with that.
>
> Rachel
>
>   

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