[Build] electrical

jim jim at well.com
Thu Aug 20 04:42:44 UTC 2009


   that's how we got the front breaker box 
unloaded and the various flex and pipes down. 
good way to do things. 


On Wed, 2009-08-19 at 21:27 -0700, Shannon Lee wrote:
> Hey Guys,
> 
> The trick to harnessing the Noisebridge Random Interest Machine is to
> divide the tasks that need to be done into bite-sized chunks and let
> everybody know what the tasks are; then you end up showing up to find
> tasks mysteriously done.
> 
> For example, all the wood and sheetrock and whatnot that used to be
> our walls need to be moved from the pile near Mission to the Linoleum
> near the DJ booth, so that it's not creating a big pile of hazard
> impeding work on the floors, so any time anybody is in there, that's
> an easy thing to just do.
> 
> --S
> 
> On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 9:19 PM, jim <jim at well.com> wrote:
>         
>         On Wed, 2009-08-19 at 16:10 -0700, neil maclean wrote:
>         > jim wrote:
>         > > additional notes:
>         > >
>         > >    jason suggested we put 15A breakers in the boxes
>         > > that interface between the rails and the
>         > > cables/receptacles. this seems pretty good to me;
>         > >
>         
>         > that is a good idea, your thinking of GFI plugs or fuse
>         holders? I don't
>         > know of a "breaker" that would fit in a single gang box. but
>         either of
>         > the other are good ideas. Maybe GFI for computers and fuses
>         for motors
>         > or irons?
>         jameco has breakers of various sorts that would
>         likely fit. jason actually suggested gfis.
>         
>         > > it lets use use the 50 A breakers and the #6 wire
>         > > that powers the rails without worry.
>         > >
>         > >
>         
>         > I'm still thinking of re-purposing some of those feeds for
>         sub panels.
>         > Do you think any of the rails _need_ 50 amps?
>         > >    we'd discussed an additional sub-panel near the
>         > > south west corner.
>         > >
>         > >
>         
>         > yes, I was economizing. Also, I don't know what use that
>         panel would be
>         > put to?
>         only a matter of locating a power source in
>         that area for future possibilities. the idea
>         is that this is a makers/hackers/doers space
>         and it should be as flexible as possible. for
>         example, if someone were shooting a small
>         scene for video, they might need more than
>         20 Amps. a sub-panel nearby would let us
>         add some half-inch pipe with a couple or
>         three circuits for lights or whatever.
>         
>         >
>         > >    we have a fair amount of #6 and a variety of
>         > > breakers. my understanding is that #6 is rated for
>         > > 65 Amps (though not continuous duty). can we put a
>         > > 60 Amp breaker to control #6 to a sub-panel (i'm
>         > > thinking of the three-phase sub-panel to the
>         > > machine shop ("dirty shop").
>         > >
>         > >
>         
>         > I'd like to see a layout for what equipment we are imagining
>         in the
>         > shop. If it would draw over 50 amps I would rather run #4
>         and put in a
>         > 70 amp breaker, if its reasonable to think all the motors
>         could be
>         > running at the same time.
>         we have a 70 amp breaker, i believe. let's buy the #4
>         as we'll have to buy more wire anyway. it seems not in
>         the nature of noisebridge to have much of a plan for
>         anything, mainly because new stuff and new projects
>         regularly pop up (and proposed, sanctioned, approved
>         projects sometimes never come to pass)
>         
>         >
>         > How much #6? The space will swallow pipe and wire without
>         taking a breath.
>         >
>         > >    the work mode model we've had in mind is to
>         > > invite anyone who wants to do the work, first
>         > > qualifying them and mentoring as need be, of course.
>         > >
>         > >
>         > >
>         
>         > I like that work model. I was concerned because there are
>         lots of
>         > competing needs for people's attention, for example, last
>         night Rachel
>         > pulled off the electrical in part to head the painting team.
>         So I only
>         > know of deleTed, you, and I currently on our team.
>           there are several others who've volunteered and
>         then gone dark, probably temporarily. there are
>         others who've got related experience who've not
>         yet piped up but probably will. people come and go
>         unpredictably.
>           there are certainly lots of jobs needing lots
>         of people, and my experience is that only a small
>         percentage of a group actually puts in much time.
>           my desires are to get the floor done first, then
>         get the electrical just barely good enough, then get
>         the painting done, then improve the electrical some
>         more.
>         
>         >
>         > thanks for notes.
>         > Neil
>         
>         
>         > > On Wed, 2009-08-19 at 11:54 -0700, neil maclean wrote:
>         > >
>         > >> Yesterday I had the chance to meet with Jim, and to speak
>         with Miloh,
>         > >> Zedd, Jay, and Rachel, and last Sunday I was able to
>         spend some time
>         > >> working with Shannon.
>         > >>
>         > >> This is my second week of focused interaction with
>         Noisebridge. I think
>         > >> I can help build out the space, especially the
>         electrical, and am
>         > >> grateful that you albeit abruptly, made me the leader of
>         that "team." (I
>         > >> hope there is a team.) (Would interested folks let me
>         know? I can share
>         > >> useful skills plus I will need many kinds of help, from
>         just handing me
>         > >> things while I'm on scaffold, to mapping circuits,
>         pulling wire and
>         > >> bending pipe.)
>         > >>
>         > >> I'll post a few organizational comments separately.
>         > >>
>         > >> (Many thanks to Jim for getting together and helping
>         clarify the rough
>         > >> plan below.)
>         > >>
>         > >> I'll propose an immediate budget at Friday's meeting.
>         (not full budget,
>         > >> but getting started, immediate budget.)
>         > >>
>         > >> Provided budget approval, beginning next week: set up a
>         rolling scaffold
>         > >> and run electrical conduit lines to several key places
>         for distribution
>         > >> panels.
>         > >>
>         > >> Distribution panels as follows:
>         > >> 1. kitchen/laundry (after speaking with Miloh): 100 amp
>         3phase (range,
>         > >> stove, water heater and dryer on blue and red legs,
>         approx 6 110v legs
>         > >> on black.)
>         > >> 2. wood and metal shop (after speaking with Shannon and
>         Jim): 50 amp 3
>         > >> phase (is this big enough? a list of potential gear would
>         be helpful.)
>         > >> 3. audio video booth (after speaking with Jim) 50 amp
>         single phase (what
>         > >> do you think Dr. J, others?)
>         > >>
>         > >> Existing overhead rails (after speaking with Jim, Miloh
>         and Shannon)
>         > >> should be powered with 20 amp single phase, including
>         removing some of
>         > >> the rail in the projection area, and perhaps relocating
>         it.
>         > >> Additional branch circuit runs to electronic shop and
>         classrooms as
>         > >> needed out of new or reworked panel in existing location.
>         > >>
>         > >> please help me modify and improve on this basic plan. It
>         would be
>         > >> necessary to locate these panels precisely before I
>         complete the runs.
>         > >> So discussions with (at least) Miloh, Zedd, about
>         kitchen, Dr. J about
>         > >> booth, and I have no idea who about the shop at Friday's
>         meeting would
>         > >> be ideal.
>         > >>
>         > >>
>         > >>
>         > >> notes:
>         > >> this leaves lighting as is.
>         > >> this leaves branch circuit build-out in specific areas
>         for later as gear
>         > >> and money arrives
>         > >> Important Question: Who has the key to the main
>         disconnect switch
>         > >> padlock in the basement?
>         > >>
>         > >> thanks all,
>         > >> Neil
>         > >>
>         > >> --
>         > >> They further concluded that at least 8 detainees in US
>         custody were
>         > >> tortured to death. Steven Miles, reporting in this
>         journal, put the
>         > >> number of deaths due to torture at 17, with 11 cases
>         occurring in Iraq
>         > >> and 6 occurring in Afghanistan.[8]
>         > >>
>         <http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=1868355#R8>
>         > >> Many of these deaths involved torture or abuse related to
>         harsh
>         > >> interrogations of the detainees by US personnel.
>         > >>
>         > >> from: Public Medical Records Central: a free library of
>         Life Science
>         > >> Journals
>         > >>
>         http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=1868355
>         > >>
>         > >>
>         > >
>         > >
>         > >
>         >
>         > --
>         > They further concluded that at least 8 detainees in US
>         custody were
>         > tortured to death. Steven Miles, reporting in this journal,
>         put the
>         > number of deaths due to torture at 17, with 11 cases
>         occurring in Iraq
>         > and 6 occurring in Afghanistan.[8]
>         >
>         <http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=1868355#R8>
>         > Many of these deaths involved torture or abuse related to
>         harsh
>         > interrogations of the detainees by US personnel.
>         >
>         > from: Public Medical Records Central: a free library of Life
>         Science
>         > Journals
>         >
>         http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=1868355
>         >
>         
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> Shannon Lee
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> 
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