[Build] Electrical Tracing Party

jim jim at well.com
Sat Aug 29 15:05:57 UTC 2009


comments interspersed: 

On Sat, 2009-08-29 at 00:34 -0700, Shannon Lee wrote:
> So if I'm understanding correctly, the current plan is:
> 
> * Run 1.25" conduit from the Front panel back the kitchen, and run
> cable through it 
JS: yes (but not "cable", rather "wires"). 

> * Run 1.25" conduit from the Front panel to the shop, and run cable
> through it
JS: no. run 1" and take it from an existing 1" run, extending 
the existing branch and diverting it from powering a track to 
feeding a small sub-panel ("wires" not "cable"). 

> * Install a sub-panel at the kitchen
JS: yes. 

> * Install a sub-panel in the shop
JS: yes, but a small one. 

> * Make local runs & outlets in the shop and in the kitchen 
JS: yes, a few at first. 

> * Put the Front panel back together 
JS: buy an identical panel and rip out its guts to 
replace the guts of the existing front panel, which 
shows serious damage to its busses. 

> * Trace out and label the runs from the Front panel.
JS: progress has already been made on this. 
> 
> This is, I understand, a completely simplistic writeup of a set of
> complex tasks, but I want to get a handle on what needs to be done. 
JS: latest tentatively agreed-upon plans include 
diverting a second 1" pipe run from another track 
to power a second small sub-panel somewhere "over 
there". 
   the idea of two smaller sub-panels is primarily 
to re-purpose existing #6 wire rather than buying 
new wire and pipe for entirely new runs, and 
secondarily to distribute power capability across 
the space--we can tap sub-panels for power as we 
decide in the future. 
> 
> If you look at the current, All New! taped out layout of the walls, it
> puts the shop very close by the Rear panel, which would make for an
> easy run.
> 
> Do we really need 3-phase?  I understand that it's there in the front
> panel, and we'd be silly to rip it out, but is this something we could
> leave as a future possibility rather than something we're doing now? 
JS: yes, no. we cannot easily later put in three- 
phase. three-phase requires four wires, correctly 
sized pipe, and a three-phase sub-panel. Neil's run.
plan is to use the "stinger" leg of the three-
phase to power the oven and cooktop, possibly 
some other devices. 
   if we install the usual split-phase panel, we 
pretty much forever dismiss using three-phase and 
we miss using the available power of the third leg. 
> 
> I'll be in the space tomorrow and Sunday; I may be working on walls
> with Zed or I may be free to help out with Electrical, if either of
> you are around.
> 
> --S
> 
> PS, I think we should name our panels after Chinese deistic entities.
> 
> On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 1:26 PM, neil maclean <neil at warmcove.org>
> wrote:
>         I just got off the phone with Jim and we made some decisions
>         that I really like.
>         
>         I oing to bring a rolling scaffold tonight and would like help
>         getting it up the stairs and set up in the space. The scaffold
>         can help us trace circuits and later to install pipe and wire.
>         
>         I would like to create a plan tonight. If we finish the
>         circuit tracing, we can make decisions about how to re-purpose
>         them, take them out, or use them as they are.
>         
>         It would be great if one to three people could work with me on
>         Friday, (Jim is going to get the materials in the morning and
>         then come back later in the afternoon.)
>         I could use help most of the day doing stuff like carrying
>         things around, handing it up the scaffold, rolling the
>         scaffold, opening boxes, tracing circuits, pulling wires, and
>         fastening pipe. If anyone wants to, I could also share some
>         basics about how to bend pipe, (its not really that hard.)
>         
>         I would like to start early Friday, like 8 or 9 in the
>         morning. My goal is to get the biggest run, the one to the
>         bathroom/laundry/kitchen finished and the one to the shop at
>         least figured out and began.
>         
>         Neil
>         
>         
>         
>         Shannon Lee wrote:
>                 
>                 Hey All,
>                 
>                 Tonight at 7:00, a bunch of people are getting
>                 together at 2169 to admire the floor, and to give a go
>                 at finishing off the cable tracing -- we need to
>                 figure out where all the breakers go.
>                 
>                 The front box is all taken apart, and we won't be able
>                 to use the breakers themselves to trace out -- so
>                 bring tracing equipment!  I know I've got a tone
>                 generator and tracer kit, it's not clear to me whether
>                 it's suitable for tracing AC as well as low-voltage
>                 cable;  Jim recommends a battery and a voltmeter -- we
>                 have a couple of voltmeters, so if you have batteries
>                 suitable for this sort of adventure, be sure to bring
>                 them along.
>                 
>                 See you all there,
>                 
>                 --S
>                 
>                 -- 
>                 Shannon Lee
>                 (503) 539-3700
>                 
>                 "Any sufficiently analyzed magic is indistinguishable
>                 from science."
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> 
> -- 
> Shannon Lee
> (503) 539-3700
> 
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