[Build] [Noisebridge-discuss] Wall Status

jim jim at well.com
Mon Nov 28 21:55:03 UTC 2011

dirty shop: 
    assuming the local sub-panel as the source of power 
in the dirty shop, because of the "columns" in the north 
wall, it's probably best to bring conduit up out of the 
sub-panel to the ceiling and then drop pipe down to the 
locations for receptacles and switches. 
    i'd planned to provide a single receptacle powered 
by a dedicated circuit for some particular high-powered 
tool (e.g. radial arm saw) along with a duplex receptacle, 
also powered by a dedicated circuit such that each "bay" 
has a single and a duplex for work in that area. 
    as to lights, first determine if we want both lights 
to be switched on as a pair or have each light separately 
switched. then, do we want three-way switches or a spst 
switch. bring conduit down from the ceiling to bring 
power to the switch(es). i think it's fine to have a 
single spst switch that controls both lights. 

    see what's on the ceiling and how to route conduit 
to a junction box "up there" between the two lights. 
bring pipe down to a single spst switch near the south 
wall entrance. 

    bring a new red and black from the box on the north 
wall along the wall to punch through to the church side 
of the east wall and then branch around the room to 
provide receptacles. 
    run pipe up to the ceiling to a junction box that 
powers the two lights (similar to the turing room) and 
drop a run of conduit down to the east-most part of the 
southern wall and locate a spst switch. 

    we have some conduit but not enough. probably good 
to establish if we need 3/4 pipe (maybe in the ceiling 
run in the dirty shop (i think so) then figure how much 
3/4 we need and how much 1/2 inch we need, then inventory 
our existing stash of conduit then buy what we need (in 
bundles of ten 10 foot lengths). 
    we should establish the numbers of junction and other 
boxes along with straps and screws and couplings and 

    after we get the conduit up, we should inventory our 
wire stash _carefully_ with an eye to using the shortest 
lengths in pipe runs and save our longer lengths for 
longer runs. 
    the cost of #12 THHN wire is moving up toward $100.00 
for a single 500 foot role. if we buy one role, we should 
buy three, so we have a useful supply for white, red, and 
black runs. 
    i might be willing to buy the three roles for my own 
stash and give out as needed. 
    best to think out whether spending $250 to have a 
stash of 500 feet of wire is a good use of NB funds. 

On Mon, 2011-11-28 at 10:00 -0800, Ben Kochie wrote:
> http://ben.nerp.net/nb/2169_Mission-lighting_layout.png
> Although, I was thinking about 3 fixtures in the shop.
> -ben
> On Mon, 28 Nov 2011, jim wrote:
> >
> >
> >    i'll bring mine. what we need before using the bender
> > is a plan.
> >
> >
> > On Sun, 2011-11-27 at 23:18 -0800, Ben Kochie wrote:
> >> What we need right now is a conduit bender so we can get to work on the lights.
> >>
> >> On Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 23:17, Mike Schachter <mike at mindmech.com> wrote:
> >>> Hey Shannon, thanks to you and everyone else
> >>> for improving the space! I've been a long time
> >>> Church room enthusiast and was gonna use it
> >>> to give a little workshop tomorrow around 7pm,
> >>> but if it's in disarray I'd rather show up and help
> >>> out with something. So if there's a task I could
> >>> take on let me know. Like, what are some basic
> >>> things the Church room needs at this point, or
> >>> will by tomorrow night?
> >>>
> >>>  mike
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 8:29 PM, Shannon Lee <shannon at scatter.com> wrote:
> >>>> Hi Noisebridge,
> >>>> The walls around both classrooms and the shop have been extended to the
> >>>> ceiling.
> >>>> Sheetrocking is complete; mudding & taping was ongoing when I left a couple
> >>>> of hours ago, but everything was winding down, and I suspect that it's done
> >>>> for the night; when last I looked, Church and Turing were mudded, and much
> >>>> of the outside was mudded; the shop still needs to be mudded inside and out.
> >>>>  I will likely not be back to this until this weekend, but anyone else who
> >>>> wants to mud is more than welcome to do so; and of course, after mudding
> >>>> comes sanding, and after sanding comes...
> >>>> Painting:
> >>>> We bought a 5 gallon bucket of primer, which I plan to put up sometime,
> >>>> maybe next weekend; but honestly, we really, really don't need any more vast
> >>>> expanses of white walls.  Someone who has a Vision of what the walls should
> >>>> look like, and the artistic skill to execute said vision, should make them
> >>>> be something other than white.  We really need some color on those walls.
> >>>>  Murals are totally welcome, simple non-white color schemes are equally
> >>>> welcome, but someone for God's sake do something.
> >>>> Power and Lights:
> >>>> Turing and Church are without light.  The shop has the light over the
> >>>> central work bench, and during the day is well-served by its skylight, but
> >>>> at night it's very dark. The neon lighting which has been serving the
> >>>> classrooms and the shop was in two long banks of lights which ran
> >>>> continuously over the three rooms; they had to be broken up in order to
> >>>> allow for walls to be installed.  I understand that there's a plan in place
> >>>> to make the remaining lights light up; Jim even expressed a revolutionary
> >>>> idea whereby the lights in a particular room would be controlled by a switch
> >>>> *in that room* so that the people occupying the room could control their
> >>>> need for artifical light.
> >>>> The power rail above the table in the shop is still powered; the rail has
> >>>> been removed from Church and Turing -- again, to make way for walls.  Turing
> >>>> is well-served by its own 20-amp circuit and a *lot* of outlets at various
> >>>> convenient leves; Chuch, however, currently has no power of any kind.  I
> >>>> believe there is a plot afoot to power it, as well as to mount a projector
> >>>> and projector screen back there.
> >>>> If you'd like to be involved in getting power and lights where power and
> >>>> lights should go, I refer you to Jim's missive on the topic in a previous
> >>>> email thread, as well as to Jim, SuperQ and Miloh, who are all variously
> >>>> working on this stuff.
> >>>> Doors:
> >>>> Doors are needed for the shop, and possibly for Turing and the Turing-Church
> >>>> Intra-Classroom Door.  The big doorway leading to the shop needs (ideally)
> >>>> double swinging doors, of the type you find in restraunt kitchen and
> >>>> hospital settings; the other doors should all (in the best of all possible
> >>>> worlds) have portholes, or windows, or be made of glass, because nobody
> >>>> wants to have their class or meeting constantly interrupted by people
> >>>> opening the door to see if anybody's in there.  SuperQ is at work on the
> >>>> door problem; feel free to contact him.
> >>>> Lots of people showed up this weekend to help out, more than I can name
> >>>> here, but including a one-armed Bandit, a small army of purple-haired women,
> >>>> and an stray 9-year-old girl who came in with her parents after having heard
> >>>> Mitch on NPR and was put to work mudding.  Kaya deserves a special shout-out
> >>>> for the use of her truck for hauling everything; Danny for getting this
> >>>> moving, and for paying for a lot of it; and Jurgen and Zack for basic
> >>>> unflappability.
> >>>> As I said, many more people were involved to one extent or another, and I
> >>>> can think of at least one person whose name I've just flat forgotten; thank
> >>>> you to all of you for having shown up and Just Done It when it needed to
> >>>> Just Be Done.
> >>>> There is more still to Just Do; if you want a task, just ask, and one shall
> >>>> be given.
> >>>> --S
> >>>> --
> >>>> Shannon Lee
> >>>> (503) 539-3700
> >>>>
> >>>> "Any sufficiently analyzed magic is indistinguishable from science."
> >>>>
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