[Noisebridge-discuss] A potential space - the No Starch Press building (and how we can handle voting)

[Al Billings]

  Ryan,

  You do have an opportunity to address what was said. It could have  
just been said privately, behind your back. I think it is good that it  
is out in the open.

  I don't care about the drama of other people. If I have to see  
someone's name on a legal document, though, then hearing about a  
potential history of abuse (or not!) becomes relevant. Since this is  
water under the bridge and a vendetta, as far as you're concerned, I  
understand your annoyance but it doesn't mean that I'd agree to have  
your name on the Internet access, for example.

So what do you suggest? We have an accusation of abuse of privileges  
in the past. You didn't really address that and this isn't some sort  
of star chamber where you are required to do so. That being true, it  
has still been said. If you want "talking like adults" to happen,  
please, by all means, let's start. Throwing around names at people  
(like you do below) certainly doesn't qualify or help that process.  
Nor does having your girlfriend do a virtual stamping of the feet  
about how wronged you are.

Al

On Jan 17, 2008, at 7:57 AM, ryan wrote:

>> Choosing to leave the group over an issue that was brought up just  
>> six
>> hours ago is the most dramatic thing anyone has done. You can't  
>> expect
>> You are the only person who has, as of yet, taken an action with  
>> long term
>> consequences. The rest of us are going to be here, talking things  
>> out like
>> adults.
>
> The most dramatic are the accusations. Being upset after seeing this
> kind of thing happen again and again isn't dramatic, it's normal.
>
> I think that means that toya is the less naive of the group and
> realizes there isn't going to be a sudden wellspring of 'talking like
> adults'.
>
> In fact, this thread is dying off as the "I've got fast internet!"  
> thread
> takes off (clearly, folks were glad to have something else to talk
> about on-list that allows them to avoid the issue).
>
> Frankly, I agree with toya that the composition of this group isn't
> well-constructed enough to deal with a problem like this, and one
> disruptor can barge in with their loud, obnoxious attacks and succeed
> to fracture this group's beginnings.
>
> In other words, I'll wait for the 'talking like adults' to happen but
> I won't hold my breath.
>
> My guess is that the best we'll get is some bemoaning about how the
> european and latin american hacklabs 'can get their shit together, why
> cant we?' or a similar rodneykingesque plea... When the answer is the
> european/latin american hacklabs don't tolerate well-known internet
> drama whores like "Gweedz" to disrupt things after a couple initial
> meetings.
>
> I hope this group proves me wrong ...
>
> -ryan
>
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